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*Official* Australia in India 2023

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artvandalay

State Vice-Captain
Spark said:
This was the problem, really. Having a plan is fine, though I don't think sweeping was ideal for this track as witnessed by most of the batsmen who looked comfortable not really doing so sweeping (Khawaja did it in the first dig but even those were mostly reverse sweeps, the pitch had a bit more bounce in it). The problem was premeditating and forgetting the whole "play the ball on its merits" thing. They clearly went into the game with a premeditated plan to sweep - they even said as much - and did it even when it was insane. Steve Smith missing the ball by a foot should have been a clear sign that they should at least have a look first.

Renshaw I think isn't good enough. I'm not super convinced Green is going to be the guy for these tracks but he'd slot straight in on his bowling alone (not to mention his fielding, which is missed when trying to tie batsmen down). Kuhnemann was less impressive as the game went on. Otherwise, this isn't a case of selection overhauls being needed or any fancy tricks - they really need to simplify the game a lot more. Play and defend the line of the ball with a straight bat. Don't push hard at the ball. Don't sweep from the stumps unless you're well set. All fundamentals of batting on slow pitches that seems to have gone out the window for increasingly more elaborate premeditation.
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Yea i mean i did mention that albeit in hindsight, Australia did get their selection more right for this game than India did even though we didn't think much of it at the time with them playing 3 spinners and 1 extra batsman. And also after the match is over the feeling I have is one more of relief rather than satisfaction at the way we won it because as Rohit said even though an excellent partnership helped India level the scores they were still behind in the game considering they had to bat last. Australia's collapses in both games are not as much down to technical ineptitude and incompetence as the wrong approach and a suboptimal headspace in which they have approached every innings. Something that theoretically at least sounds easier to address than just not being anywhere near good enough.
 
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artvandalay

State Vice-Captain
honestbharani said:
I like how both tests have been on pitches that have been challenging and yet not really impossible wickets. I think I posted here about the first session jitters against spinners at Delhi coz otherwise its just the same old low, slow turning Kotla.

We definitely need Gill in for Rahul. Indore will be a sharper turner but with very consistent turn and bounce if the wicket is the usual one and they have not dug it up and changed soil types etc. IIRC we won against NZ there last time? Australia should just figure out who their best bowlers are. If everyone is available, I will go...

Khawaja
Head
Labu
Smith
Handscomb
Green
Carey
Starc
Cummins
Lyon
Murphy/Swepson

I know Murphy has been very good and they should most likely play him but as far as variety goes, it would be good to have a Swepson in there if he is fit. Otherwise, the two offies backed up by a 3rd offie.

India played pretty poorly this game overall. The first day's bowling efforts were very ordinary and the second day's batting in the first session was much the same.
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It's a shame the Dharamshala test isn't happening. Picturesque ground and one pitch where both teams would most certainly have gone in with 3 quicks providing some variety within the context of this series.
 
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Ray.

School Boy/Girl Captain
Shri said:
foakes can defend spin

root can play spin well

harry brook can probably smash it better than KP

Stokes is Stokes and can switch on against anyone if it is a tense test

i think if eng catch india napping at home they can win a test or two in india

but eng will probably whitewash at home atm
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The gambhiring going here is next level. ?
 
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Ray.

School Boy/Girl Captain
They got whopped in India and Australia last year. Winning against this btec New Zealand and that Pakistan is no big deal. Although yeah they did beat India but that was one off, plus they were better prepared. Bazball wouldn’t do **** against good quality bowling attacks you can legit see the India vs England match had it not been bairstow in god mode they would’ve lost the match in first innings as well.
 
Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
R!TTER said:
We beat England, just the ECB didn't want to lose the series so they wedged the one off test as part of the 2021 series ?
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That was more India's fault than anything else. As I recall, a few of their players contracted the coronavirus and they couldn't field a full team.
 
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Ashes81

State Vice-Captain
Slifer said:
That was more India's fault than anything else. As I recall, a few of their players contracted the coronavirus and they couldn't field a full team.
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It was completely India's fault - the test was only a week or so before the IPL and the Indians pulled out due to concerns about having Covid in the camp.

If a player had caught Covid, they'd have to miss part of the IPL. As usual it was all about the money, money,money.

They were so concerned they left it until about 2 hours before the test was due to start to pull out.
 
PaulLennon

PaulLennon

U19 Vice-Captain
OverratedSanity said:
India played a massively inferior version of this England team in 2021 and still dropped a test
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That "dropped" test was due to missing Jadeja and Shami and they have shown what they can do in this tour, especially in Indian conditions.

England took advantage of Sundar and Nadeem's bowling and made merry. The moment Axar came into the side in the next test, they couldn't buy a run.

Also in that vein, in the 2017 series against Aus, Aus lucked out not playing Shami.

Shami has the best average in Asia by any pacer (tied exactly at 20.28 by Imran). Waqar, Wasim, McGrath, Marshall, Steyn etc all average more.

Even in this series he is averaging 14.42 while Cummins, the no 1 bowler is averaging 39.66.

Shami has outbowled the likes of Anderson/Broad, the NZ trio, Rabada/Philander etc in home conditions.

And Jadeja is like an ATG spinner and an ATVG batsman in India. England lucked out massively in that 1st test.

India have lost 0 tests in Asia when all three of Shami, Ashwin and Jadeja have played.
 
silentstriker

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
PaulLennon said:
That "dropped" test was due to missing Jadeja and Shami and they have shown what they can do in this tour, especially in Indian conditions.

England took advantage of Sundar and Nadeem's bowling and made merry. The moment Axar came into the side in the next test, they couldn't buy a run.

Also in that vein, in the 2017 series against Aus, Aus lucked out not playing Shami.

Shami has the best average in Asia by any pacer (tied exactly at 20.28 by Imran). Waqar, Wasim, McGrath, Marshall, Steyn etc all average more.

Even in this series he is averaging 14.42 while Cummins, the no 1 bowler is averaging 39.66.
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Yeah but ashwin was also like 150/3 in that innings and india didn’t have Jadeja but had bumrah. England simply played really well.
 
PaulLennon

PaulLennon

U19 Vice-Captain
silentstriker said:
Yeah but ashwin was also like 150/3 in that innings and india didn’t have Jadeja but had bumrah. England simply played really well.
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Ashwin had a decent economy. But you need someone from the other side to plug the gap. O/w you can just play him out. They scored heavily off Sundar/Nadeem.

Having a good 2nd spinner makes all the difference as there is no respite. And you can see that in this series. There were times when Australia are doing well and then boom, these two just run through a side. Australia were 78/2 or something in the first test. If Sundar and Nadeem were there as spinners 2 and 3 I could see Australia posting 350+. Plus Jadeja would have also helped with the batting.

Also Jadeja in India cannot be compared to Bumrah in India. Jadeja in India is basically Murali and Ganguly as one player combined.

And Shami in Asia > Bumrah in Asia (Bumrah hardly has a sample set in Asia). Also Shami can slog a few.

With Jadeja and Shami in place of Nadeem and Ishant/Bumrah it would have been England 270, India 450, England 130.
 
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PaulLennon

PaulLennon

U19 Vice-Captain
Slifer said:
No, India are the best. India are invincible at home and consistent away. Aus are consistent away and dominant at home, unfortunately they've lost 3 successive series to India (including two at home).
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australia have won 1 away series in the last 7 years.
 
Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
PaulLennon said:
australia have won 1 away series in the last 7 years.
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Yeah but if Australia played every other team right now I'm confident in saying they'd likely win in RSA, WI, and NZ. Lose or draw in England, lose in India and we already saw them beat and draw vs Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively. That's not bad because India would likely have a similar up and down record as well.
 
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