***Official*** Australia in Bangladesh 2017

[SeamUp]

To be fair to the Aus selectors, Nevil is averaging what a decent number 9 does.

It was also Nevill's batting tempo that was frustrating particularly at 7.

If he has any chance it would have to be at 6 and he would have to start averaging a decent amount to keep a spot in the top 6.

 

[stephen]

Nevill bats slowly, which is perfectly fine. He has the ability to anchor the tail and get the most out of Starc, Cummins and Agar. He also has the ability to bat time when we need it.

Yeah, he's no Gilchrist or Haddin but he's the best choice we have right now and if you can't get champaign and caviar, you take a Shiraz and steak.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Looking like it will be a delayed start.

 

[Adders]

if you can't get champaign and caviar, you take a Shiraz and steak.

Or Big Mac and Coke in this case.

 

[Midwinter]

Regarding Neville

There is a bit of rewriting of history if you go by his average.

For example, in the last 2 tests he played he out scored / outlasted at least 3 of the batsmen batting above him but because the team lost he became one of the scapegoats for the losses.

If his replacement was judged by the same standard he would have been out of the team after one test, but the team won.

Its a bit like after this last test match, it was the batsmen who didn't score enough runs but it has been the bowling which is being changed.

 

[Starfighter]

Regarding Neville

There is a bit of rewriting of history if you go by his average.

For example, in the last 2 tests he played he out scored / outlasted at least 3 of the batsmen batting above him but because the team lost he became one of the scapegoats for the losses.

If his replacement was judged by the same standard he would have been out of the team after one test, but the team won.

Its a bit like after this last test match, it was the batsmen who didn't score enough runs but it has been the bowling which is being changed.

Not too many things more infuriating than this, which seems to have been a favourite strategy of ours over the past few years. Although there was always going to be a change with Haze injured.

 

[Tangles]

Nevill bats slowly, which is perfectly fine. He has the ability to anchor the tail and get the most out of Starc, Cummins and Agar. He also has the ability to bat time when we need it.

Yeah, he's no Gilchrist or Haddin but he's the best choice we have right now and if you can't get champaign and caviar, you take a Shiraz and steak.

I think the selectors see Wade as Haddin light. But he's not half the keeper and he's not going to save top order mistakes like Haddin did at home. England should hope Wade keeps his spot. He is likely to put down chances.

 

[stephen]

Regarding Neville

There is a bit of rewriting of history if you go by his average.

For example, in the last 2 tests he played he out scored / outlasted at least 3 of the batsmen batting above him but because the team lost he became one of the scapegoats for the losses.

If his replacement was judged by the same standard he would have been out of the team after one test, but the team won.

Its a bit like after this last test match, it was the batsmen who didn't score enough runs but it has been the bowling which is being changed.

What people don't really get about Nevill's batting average is that he rarely came in under "normal" circumstances. He missed a lot of innings against weaker sides due to declarations (remember how Voges was making runs for fun against the West Indies? ) and when he did bat it was often after a mid-order collapse. He was often coming in at 5-100. Is ridiculous to expect your keeper to do the heavy batting lifting.

Just before he was dropped, Nevill scored a gritty 60* trying to save a test match that the middle order had lost for us.

Blaming your wicket keeper for Marsh/Voges mistakes is not a good way to pick a team.

Burns, Voges, M Marsh were all not up to snuff against the top teams (Burns and Marsh may yet prove to be good enough in future but they were rightly dropped after the South Africa debacle). Nevill got caught up in their purge.

Going back to Wade was a mistake. The selectors should have given Hartley a run instead and if he failed, gone to whichever keeper was in form domestically. Wade was not in form and he was dropped the first time because he wasn't good enough. Time to give the gloves back to Nevill.

 

[Tangles]

Sounds like they may add Sok but not drop Agar. But they want a 2nd spin option with Bird or Cartwright. 3 spinners seems overkill with Sok and Lyon likely to do most of the bowling.

Uzi probably will be axed to keep Agar while adding Sok and some seam then. I know he is poor in these conditions but kind of stupid to bring him then drop him after 1 game.

 

[Daemon]

Iirc wasn't Nev also spilling a few catches before he was dropped?

 

[mr_mister]

What people don't really get about Nevill's batting average is that he rarely came in under "normal" circumstances. He missed a lot of innings against weaker sides due to declarations (remember how Voges was making runs for fun against the West Indies? ) and when he did bat it was often after a mid-order collapse. He was often coming in at 5-100. Is ridiculous to expect your keeper to do the heavy batting lifting.

Just before he was dropped, Nevill scored a gritty 60* trying to save a test match that the middle order had lost for us.

Blaming your wicket keeper for Marsh/Voges mistakes is not a good way to pick a team.

Burns, Voges, M Marsh were all not up to snuff against the top teams (Burns and Marsh may yet prove to be good enough in future but they were rightly dropped after the South Africa debacle). Nevill got caught up in their purge.

Going back to Wade was a mistake. The selectors should have given Hartley a run instead and if he failed, gone to whichever keeper was in form domestically. Wade was not in form and he was dropped the first time because he wasn't good enough. Time to give the gloves back to Nevill.

Some of this applies to Wade. Has come in when the chips were down a few times already

 

[stephen]

Granted, Nevill was poor in Sri Lanka. But outside the Sri Lankan tests his average was a much-healthier 27 with the bat. Half the time he came in was declaration batting time and the other half was during a collapse.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

To be fair to the Aus selectors, Nevil is averaging what a decent number 9 does.

Nevill made more runs in his first two games back in FC cricket after his dropping than Wade made in his previous two shield seasons combined.

(I'm pretty sure this is correct but I haven't done the math myself).

 

[stephen]

Looking over his series/innings with the bat.

In England - had a decent debut at Lords.
Scored a half century (second top score) in Birmingham.
Got caught up in the shame that was Nottingham.
Got a start at the Oval.

2 good tests, 2 bad tests.

NZ in Aus
Didn't bat in the first test.
Declaration batting dismissals both innings in Perth.
Top scored in the first innings in Adelaide, which arguably won us a tight test.

WI in Aus
DNB in Hobart
DNB in Melbourne
7* in Sydney

NZ in NZ
Decent start in only innings of the first test.
Caught trying for quick runs in only innings of second test.

Aus in SL
Woeful first test
Golden duck in first innings then run out trying to protect the number 11 in the second test
Woeful third test

SA in Aus
"Blame Shaun Marsh for his terrible review" first innings umpiring mistake, second innings 60* batting for the draw.
Second test - collapse by entire batting order, dismissed by a very close lbw. Second innings entire batting order collapsed, copped a great ball.

You could say that he had five terrible matches with the bat. 3 in Sri Lanka, one in England and one against South Africa. He had two tests where his batting went a long way to us either saving our winning a test match. He had four tests against easy opponents where he didn't get a bat or didn't get a real opportunity.

His eight remaining tests were a mixture of decent scores and starts which were usually thrown away chasing declarations. He's certainly not Gilchrist but his batting average has been more impacted by his desire to help the team at the expense of his personal statistics.

He should never have been dropped and he should be picked now.

 

[the big bambino]

Terrible. The worst I've seen keeping in an International match

Is that the only time you've seen him though? I mean he may have just had a bad match. His overall record seems ok.

 

[Burgey]

Bangers batting first

 

[Spikey]

After all the hype, Pete using his hands to bat 4 is a tad disappointing

 

[Starfighter]

Brilliant. It would have been nice to win the toss but no...

 

[Burgey]

What are the team changes plz?

 

[stephen]

I really hope Australia win and Wade fails. If this had have been a home series I'm certain Wade would have been dropped but now we're giving him one last chance and it wouldn't surprise me if he tons up and secures an ashes summer.