Thala_0710
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Discussion thread for the ODI Wicket Keeper Batsman Poll.
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ODI Wicket Keeper Poll: Discussion
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Thala_0710
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@Fuller Pilch I'd say that 25% is generally a low percentage imo, especially this high. For the top few picks I would like to keep it near 100% if possible. However since ABD was such an exceptional ODI batsman, I can see him going top 10.
Line and Length
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As with previous polls I have conducted, I request that posts - other than voting - are made here rather than in the actual poll thread.
Line and Length
International Coach
To kick things off, I have done a cut and paste of @Fuller Pilch 's post in the poll.
"Thoughts on how many matches / What percentage of matches someone has to keep?
ABDV played 228 ODIs with 59 ODIs as wicketkeeper, so kept in just over 25% of his matches.
In those 59 ODIs he averaged 70.54 at a run a ball."
"Thoughts on how many matches / What percentage of matches someone has to keep?
ABDV played 228 ODIs with 59 ODIs as wicketkeeper, so kept in just over 25% of his matches.
In those 59 ODIs he averaged 70.54 at a run a ball."
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
I don't think think there should be any cut-off for the percentage of matches kept. 59 matches is a decent sample size.
capt_Luffy
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59 matches isn't too low imo. ABD should be top 3 here.
capt_Luffy
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59 matches isn't too few though, everything considered.
Thala_0710
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The number of games isn't the issue, but for the majority of his career he wasn't a keeper. Hence I wouldn't keep him in my top 5.
Thala_0710
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@Line and Length is there a way to merge the two discussion threads?
capt_Luffy
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sayon basak
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You'll be overlooked. You need @SillyCowCorner1 for that.
TheJediBrah
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Whatever the results of the thread I expect ABdV will be too low. Should be top 3 with Dhoni and Gilchrist. And I bet modern boshers from the 2 new ball/road/50m boundary era like Buttler and QdK will be too high
Thala_0710
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Abd is actually better than Dhoni and Gilly too probably if we're doing that.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
I would place him below Dhoni. Exceptional ODI keeper and kept 300 matches; as well relatively close bats.
Thala_0710
International Debutant
I don't think they are that close as bats
trundler
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As far as #5-6 batsmen go, only Dhoni, Bevan, Hussey and Symonds are better than Buttler so surely his place is well earned. And De Kock is only a moderate downgrade on Gilchrist after era adjustment. There just haven't been that many good keeper bats. Even Gilchrist's batting record is only about as good as Sehwag. Ignoring modern players, there's Flower who was a decent batter but not ATG or anything and then you have pinch hitters like Moin and Mongia. KL Rahul is a better keeper batsman than anyone who debuted before 2000 and isn't named Adam Gilchrist.
Thala_0710
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You make it sound like a bad thing
capt_Luffy
International Coach
ABD is a sub tier over Dhoni for me (4th and 5th Best ever by rankings). I think they are reasonably close.
Thala_0710
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I don't have MSD that high. A clear tier ahead for me.
capt_Luffy
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I don't have MSD that low. For me it's
Viv
SRT
Kohli/ABD
Dhoni/Bevan
Abbas/Ponting/Rohit/Jones/Lara
So the keeping more than makes up for the batting difference really, probs even without the longevity.