NZ's 2nd greatest test bowler.

[Fuller Pilch]

Interesting that Bond is so far ahead. Quality over quantity?

 

[vandem]

Interesting that Bond is so far ahead. Quality over quantity?

Quality yes. Bond was a match winner. 10 win 2 loss 6 draw record is very good by NZ standards. At least 2 tests we would not have won without him - MoM and key 4th innings wickets vs WI at Eden Park (5-69 in 27 run win) and 32 run win vs Pak in Dunedin (3-46 including key late wicket of Umar Akmal c+b 75).

Perhaps some ODI performances where he blew away the Aussie top order are also influencing our memory. Is a shame he didn't get a 2nd test series vs Aust.

 

[SteveNZ]

I get it, he was probably the 2nd 'greatest' in terms of impact and ability. If part of greatest is a large body of work, then obviously he dips out.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Quality yes. Bond was a match winner. 10 win 2 loss 6 draw record is very good by NZ standards. At least 2 tests we would not have won without him - MoM and key 4th innings wickets vs WI at Eden Park (5-69 in 27 run win) and 32 run win vs Pak in Dunedin (3-46 including key late wicket of Umar Akmal c+b 75).

Perhaps some ODI performances where he blew away the Aussie top order are also influencing our memory. Is a shame he didn't get a 2nd test series vs Aust.

Also won us our 1st ever away test series in the Windies

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Quality yes. Bond was a match winner. 10 win 2 loss 6 draw record is very good by NZ standards. At least 2 tests we would not have won without him - MoM and key 4th innings wickets vs WI at Eden Park (5-69 in 27 run win) and 32 run win vs Pak in Dunedin (3-46 including key late wicket of Umar Akmal c+b 75).

Perhaps some ODI performances where he blew away the Aussie top order are also influencing our memory. Is a shame he didn't get a 2nd test series vs Aust.

And he never played a test vs England. If he'd been fit in 2004 we could've won that series rather than losing 0-3.

 

[Line and Length]

I think Bond is grossly over-rated. Take out his 'minnow-bashing' performances against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh and his average is a 'not-so-hot' 26+
A lot is made of his performances v WI but the Windies weren't anything like their sides of previous decades.
His bowling v Australia (3 wickets @ 96.33) and no Tests v England are huge gaps in his resume.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I think Bond is grossly over-rated. Take out his 'minnow-bashing' performances against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh and his average is a 'not-so-hot' 26+
A lot is made of his performances v WI but the Windies weren't anything like their sides of previous decades.
His bowling v Australia (3 wickets @ 96.33) and no Tests v England are huge gaps in his resume.

He also owned a great Indian batting lineup.

 

[trundler]

Bond only gets overrated because of a dearth of great NZ bowlers. There's obviously Hadlee who is revered as a god but Dan ****ing Vettori is an option on this list. No one really cares about Bruce Reid or Brett Schultz these days. Even Bishop who had relatively prolonged success is forgotten in an army of demons.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Nah. In real life, no one picks Peter Siddle over Ryan Harris.

No it's actually like picking James Anderson over Ryan Harris. Which I would.

 

[OverratedSanity]

No way Bond should be getting votes over Southee or Wagner at this point.

 

[Xix2565]

Southee tbh. Never thought the Barry Richards clause of potential mattered much in greats contests.

 

[vandem]

I think Bond is grossly over-rated. Take out his 'minnow-bashing' performances against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh and his average is a 'not-so-hot' 26+

A lot is made of his performances v WI but the Windies weren't anything like their sides of previous decades.

His bowling v Australia (3 wickets @ 96.33) and no Tests v England are huge gaps in his resume.

Bond's bowling v Australia (3 wickets @ 96.33 in his debut series) might look bad, but for comparison Shane Warne's numbers after his 2nd test weren't good either, 1 wicket @ 228.00.

Bond's ODI numbers vs Aust (17 games, 44 wickets @ 15.79) suggest that he might have had an improved test record against them if he had another chance.

 

[trundler]

if he had another chance

But he didn't. You know who has an actual body of work to base judgement on? Southee, Wagner and Boult.

 

[ataraxia]

Is Southee really better than Boult by the extent the poll suggests?

 

[Chrish]

Any ways voted for Wagner.. One of few players I have a soft spot for outside of my team..

 

[vandem]

But he didn't. You know who has an actual body of work to base judgement on? Southee, Wagner and Boult.

Bond's series averages after his debut series:
13, 18, 16, 38 (in SL, 1 high scoring draw, 1 test where Murali took 8 wickets), 9, 26, 25, 26, 19.

So not a single test series failure after this debut series.

 

[trundler]

Bond's series averages after his debut series:
13, 18, 16, 38 (in SL, 1 high scoring draw, 1 test where Murali took 8 wickets), 9, 26, 25, 26, 19.

So not a single test series failure after this debut series.

Southee's last 9 series averages read: 25, 31, 27, 22, 11, 34, 18, 13, 25. Given the volume of wickets and the fact that he didn't break in half in every second test, I'll gladly take that. And there's no minnow bashing or awful green mambas in there.

 

[Immenso]

A lot is made of his performances v WI

No it's not. Until post above, I've genuinely never heard anyone talk about his performances v Windies.

It's his ODI performances that get people talking.

 

[Immenso]

Bond only gets overrated because of a dearth of great NZ bowlers. There's obviously Hadlee who is revered as a god but Dan ****ing Vettori is an option on this list. No one really cares about Bruce Reid or Brett Schultz these days. Even Bishop who had relatively prolonged success is forgotten in an army of demons.

Yes partly.

As in the Bishop comparison and NZs dearth.

But it is also the eye test. Bond was so good to watch. Swinging it both directions at 150 clicks combined with a demon bouncer that seemed hard to pick up and would 'follow' the swayer.

Genuinely think Bond is the most fun fast bowler I have watched a lot of along with Wasim and peak Waqar. It's more fun than a 6 foot 8 metronome getting inconsistent bounce or a bit of seam.

 

[Line and Length]

No it's not. Until post above, I've genuinely never heard anyone talk about his performances v Windies.

It's his ODI performances that get people talking.

and yet the thread is about NZ's 2nd best TEST bowler