New Zealand alltime XIs

[Days of Grace]

Test XI
Turner
Sutcliffe
Fleming (c)
Crowe
Donnelly
McCullum (wk)
Cairns
Vettori
Hadlee
Bond
Cowie



One-Day International XI
Turner
Astle
Fleming (c)
Crowe
Twose
McCullum (wk)
Cairns
Oram
Vettori
Hadlee
Bond



Thoughts?

 

[Hurricane]

Chatfield in for Oram.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

For a home series, on a traditional NZ greentop, I'd seriously consider dropping Vettori.

 

[weldone]

Test XI:
Glenn Turner
Bert Sutcliffe
Stephen Fleming
Martin Crowe*
Andrew Jones
Chris Cairns
Richard Hadlee
Daniel Vettori
Ian Smith+
Bruce Taylor
Shane Bond

 

[Days of Grace]

I feel that Andrew Jones and Ewen Chatfeld are overrated.

Would rather have Oram's explosive batting (at his peak, he averaged over 40 for a period of 50 matches) and his bowling would be as economical as Chats' when you compare their eras.

Bruce Taylor is a good call, however.

 

[Mike5181]

Tests
1.Glenn Turner
2.Stewie Dempster
3.Bert Sutcliffe
4.Martin Crowe
5.Martin Donnelly
6.John R Reid (c)
7.Christopher Cairns
8.Richard Hadlee
9.Ian Smith+
10.Shane Bond
11.Jack Cowie

Possible changes i'd consider would be Fleming in for Donnelly because his leadership skills and his accomplishments far outweigh MDs. Brendon McCullum in for Ian Smith would be fair i suppose. He does drop a bit because of his t20 style play but he was always good with the gloves and was most likely a better bat than Smith.

I think we all know Vettori's bowling wouldn't be good enough for an all time eleven and Cairn's seam bowling would be more effective.

ODIs
1.Glenn Turner
2.Nathan Astle
3.Stephen Fleming
4.Martin Crowe
5.Roger Twose
6.Christopher Cairns
7.Brendon McCullum+
8.Richard Hadlee
9.Daniel Vettori
10.Kyle Mills
11.Shane Bond

 

[Zinzan]

1.Glenn Turner
2.Stewie Dempster
3.Bert Sutcliffe
4.Martin Crowe
5.Martin Donnelly
6.John R Reid (c)
7.Christopher Cairns
8.Richard Hadlee
9.Ian Smith+
10.Shane Bond
11.Jack Cowie

^ Top side that Mike, although surely McCullum did enough prior to giving the gloves away to edge-out Smith & as much as I like Reid I'd have Vettori ahead of him if nothing else for the balance of the attack.

 

[Days of Grace]

Ian Smith's batting would be very suitable for T20s as well, so criticising McCullum for that would be a bit unfair.

 

[Zinzan]

ODIs
1.Glenn Turner
2.Nathan Astle
3.Stephen Fleming
4.Martin Crowe
5.Roger Twose
6.Christopher Cairns
7.Brendon McCullum+
8.Richard Hadlee
9.Daniel Vettori
10.Kyle Mills
11.Shane Bond

Taylor's already done enough in ODI's to be rated above Fleming for mine & Chat's ahead of Mills.

 

[Mike5181]

Ian Smith's batting would be very suitable for T20s as well, so criticising McCullum for that would be a bit unfair.

I don't mean in terms of suitability but the mentality behind McCullum's batting. Seems like a ****wit a lot of the time. I agree he's probably too good to leave out.

 

[Mike5181]

Taylor's already done enough in ODI's to be rated above Fleming for mine & Chat's ahead of Mills.

Yeah, Fleming probably faced better attacks with a prime Lee, Donald, McGrath etc which would dent his stats but it's a fair call to place Taylor ahead of Fleming batting-wise. Haven't seen much of Chats.


Would be cool to do an all time eleven for Auckland, CD, Canterbury etc.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Big fan of Mike's line up, actually.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Tests
1.Glenn Turner
2.Stewie Dempster
3.Bert Sutcliffe
4.Martin Crowe
5.Martin Donnelly
6.John R Reid (c)
7.Christopher Cairns
8.Richard Hadlee
9.Ian Smith+
10.Shane Bond
11.Jack Cowie

Possible changes i'd consider would be Fleming in for Donnelly because his leadership skills and his accomplishments far outweigh MDs. Brendon McCullum in for Ian Smith would be fair i suppose. He does drop a bit because of his t20 style play but he was always good with the gloves and was most likely a better bat than Smith.

I think we all know Vettori's bowling wouldn't be good enough for an all time eleven and Cairn's seam bowling would be more effective.

ODIs
1.Glenn Turner
2.Nathan Astle
3.Stephen Fleming
4.Martin Crowe
5.Roger Twose
6.Christopher Cairns
7.Brendon McCullum+
8.Richard Hadlee
9.Daniel Vettori
10.Kyle Mills
11.Shane Bond

 

[Himannv]

Tests
1.Glenn Turner
2.Stewie Dempster
3.Bert Sutcliffe
4.Martin Crowe
5.Martin Donnelly
6.John R Reid (c)
7.Christopher Cairns
8.Richard Hadlee
9.Ian Smith+
10.Shane Bond
11.Jack Cowie

Possible changes i'd consider would be Fleming in for Donnelly because his leadership skills and his accomplishments far outweigh MDs. Brendon McCullum in for Ian Smith would be fair i suppose. He does drop a bit because of his t20 style play but he was always good with the gloves and was most likely a better bat than Smith.

I think we all know Vettori's bowling wouldn't be good enough for an all time eleven and Cairn's seam bowling would be more effective.

Yeah agree with most of this. Thats a pretty good team.

 

[Days of Grace]

I forgot about Mills in my ODI team. I would have him ahead of Chats, as long as he doesn't bowl after over 35 FFS.

 

[kingkallis]

Ross Taylor > Roger Twose, IMHO!

 

[Spikey]

lack of dougeh surprising tbh

 

[BoyBrumby]

Grimmett? Know he didn't play for NZ, but unquestionably both a kiwi and an all-time great.

 

[BeeGee]

Tests
1.Glenn Turner
2.Stewie Dempster
3.Bert Sutcliffe
4.Martin Crowe
5.Martin Donnelly
6.John R Reid (c)
7.Christopher Cairns
8.Richard Hadlee
9.Ian Smith+
10.Shane Bond
11.Jack Cowie

Possible changes i'd consider would be Fleming in for Donnelly because his leadership skills and his accomplishments far outweigh MDs. Brendon McCullum in for Ian Smith would be fair i suppose. He does drop a bit because of his t20 style play but he was always good with the gloves and was most likely a better bat than Smith.

I think we all know Vettori's bowling wouldn't be good enough for an all time eleven and Cairn's seam bowling would be more effective.

ODIs
1.Glenn Turner
2.Nathan Astle
3.Stephen Fleming
4.Martin Crowe
5.Roger Twose
6.Christopher Cairns
7.Brendon McCullum+
8.Richard Hadlee
9.Daniel Vettori
10.Kyle Mills
11.Shane Bond

Looks good.

I'd definitely take Mills over Chats. Equally good bowlers, but Chats was a terrible fielder and an even worse batsman.

EDIT: Might even take Geoff Allott over Mills.

lack of dougeh surprising tbh

Only played four Tests. Give him another ten Tests and he'll be taking Cowie's place.

 

[BeeGee]

Grimmett? Know he didn't play for NZ, but unquestionably both a kiwi and an all-time great.

Doesn't count if you play your cricket for another country.

Where would that leave Roger Twose?