Nathan Hauritz

[Smith]

Will he get a game? Or will Aus go in with their all pace + North strategy as in South Africa? How will he fare if picked?

 

[Richard]

I find it almost inconceivable that the only specialist spinner in the party won't play one Test in five. I hope if he does play at any point he'll get blocked so efficiently that he won't take a single wicket, and the nonsense notion of picking bowlers in Test cricket purely as defensive options, without the ability to take wickets off their own back, will be exposed as the nonsense it is.

And I hope North is completely ineffective whenever he bowls too, of course, 'cos he seems a little overrated over here, especially by Lancastrians.

 

[rivera213]

He'll definiely play at Cardiff.

Ponting has said he'll be the defensive option at 1 end with the seamers attacking at the other.

I don't know why Krejza isn't in the squad. Sure, his average is high but he takes wickets at a SR of below 58.

Hauritz makes Ashley Giles look like Muralidaran!

 

[inbox24]

Hauritz is a specialist One Day spinner on bunsen burners against teams who play spin bowling extremely poorly.

Otherwise we might as well just use Ponting or Haddin as specialist spinners in tests.

 

[Burgey]

Well, he's the only spinner picked on a 5-test dream tour, so if a spinner's to be played he's it. Reckon he'll surprise and take a few wickets.

Not that I'd have picked him myself, but there you go.

 

[rivera213]

In all seriousness, I'd use Michael Clarke ahead of Hauritz but apparently his back isn't too good (?).

 

[Burgey]

Yeah, stops him from regular bowling. They probably both turn it the same.

Hauritz reckons he's been working on a doosra for a while int he nets. May as well see if he can turn that.

 

[rivera213]

Or if it even gets approval from the ICC.

I haven't seen Botha's doosra at all, but considering they let Murali bowl it must be shocking.

 

[Richard]

Murali's a wristspinner, Botha's a fingerspinner. Completely and totally different deliveries, and really rather misleading to refer to both as "Doosra".

Botha's delivery is comparable to the likes of Prasanna, Saqlain and Harbhajan Singh.

 

[Manee]

I think Hauritz is criminally underrated and that he'll do well in England.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

His never taken a 5fer before.

 

[Manee]

If I thought he had statistical backing, I would have said. I'm merely putting a punt out there, if he flops, then I'll happily admit that I was wrong.

 

[Richard]

I think Hauritz is criminally underrated and that he'll do well in England.

What's so good about him? He's an utterly nothing bowler, barely spins it even by a fingerspinner's standards, and has nothing to recommend him other than a relatively flat trajectory and decent (though far from outstanding) accuracy.

 

[Manee]

What's so good about him? He's an utterly nothing bowler, barely spins it even by a fingerspinner's standards, and has nothing to recommend him other than a relatively flat trajectory and decent (though far from outstanding) accuracy.

I don't know. This is a wild punt, but I think that he could frustrate England and that he could pick up enough turn to exploit this in what is predicted to be a dry summer. The ball does spin a bit in England when it is dry for a prolonged period of time.

 

[Bonnie Prince C]

I think he will play. However, I reckon he will be a fiar old failure. Maybe pick up 10 wickets IMO.

 

[rivera213]

Murali's a wristspinner, Botha's a fingerspinner. Completely and totally different deliveries, and really rather misleading to refer to both as "Doosra".

Well, they're both off spinners so I suppose the naming of it as a "Doosra" is justified. I don't think there is an official name for an off spinner's "googly", and "Doosra" sounds good.

I remember all the crap Murali had with his originally, and they ended up changing the rules because of it, so Botha's must look SO suspect for it to be illegalised.

Botha's delivery is comparable to the likes of Prasanna, Saqlain and Harbhajan Singh.

So should it be legalized in that case? (I haven't seen much of Botha tbh).

 

[Richard]

I don't know. This is a wild punt, but I think that he could frustrate England and that he could pick up enough turn to exploit this in what is predicted to be a dry summer. The ball does spin a bit in England when it is dry for a prolonged period of time.

I don't know about that TBH - one of the hottest summers (and pretty dry) of recent times was 2003, and there were no turning decks in Test cricket that summer. 2004 (a moderate summer) and 2006 (a pretty sunny and fairly dry one) both produced three and, well, maybe two-and-a-half, turners.

Recently (last 3 years) Old Trafford has turned and nowhere else has. Between 2000 and 2003 practically no Test pitch turned much. In the 1990s it was generally Old Trafford, sometimes The Oval and pretty much nowhere else.

There's really no way of knowing whether the pitches are going to turn, apart from recent precedent. Certainly, extended spells of hot, dry weather make no significant impact, and no serious meteorologist will ever predict the outcome of an entire summer - it's an absurd thing to do. The truth is the weather in this country can be forecast accurately only for a day or two at a time.

Either way, even if there are two or three turning decks in the Test series I still don't see Hauritz threatening greatly. Even on the rank bunsen Mumbai 2004/05 (which there is pretty much certain to be nothing remotely like this series) he still got hammered (his figures were good because he dismissed a few tailenders). The only way his figures are going to be good this series is if England play him poorly, which of course is far from impossible but I do hope it won't happen.

 

[Richard]

Well, they're both off spinners so I suppose the naming of it as a "Doosra" is justified. I don't think there is an official name for an off spinner's "googly", and "Doosra" sounds good.

Nah, there's really no such thing as an "off-spinner", just an off-break or a leg-break - and that depends 50% on batsman and 50% on bowler (an off-break to a RHB is a leg-break to a LHB and vice-versa).

There's just fingerspin and wristspin, and Murali is neither fingerspinnner nor orthodox wristspinner.

I remember all the crap Murali had with his originally, and they ended up changing the rules because of it, so Botha's must look SO suspect for it to be illegalised.

They didn't, they changed the rules because they realised they were based on false ideals. But anyway, Murali is incomparable to most other bowlers, because he has a physical deformity of the elbow which makes any straightening more apparent and even makes straightening appear apparent where there is none.

So should it be legalized in that case? (I haven't seen much of Botha tbh).

Nah, Botha isn't neccessarily using the same technique and has been found to be outside the limits. None of those others were - some, of course, were never tested.

 

[Mister Wright]

Reckon Hauritz will do a great job myself. He's always been a confidence bowler, and now he's recognized as first choice, I think he'll draw on that. I have noticed in the last season that he is flighting the ball more, and being around the Australian set-up regularly he could show a lot of improvement. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he takes consistent wickets.

 

[rivera213]

Nah, there's really no such thing as an "off-spinner", just an off-break or a leg-break - and that depends 50% on batsman and 50% on bowler (an off-break to a RHB is a leg-break to a LHB and vice-versa).

There's just fingerspin and wristspin, and Murali is neither fingerspinnner nor orthodox wristspinner.

Categorisation of an off spinner or leg spinner is based on both the batsman and bowler using the same hand. Murali is an offie to RH so is categorized as an off spinner. In reality it's just something to label him.

Murali being the exception to the rule, 99.9% of wrist spinners are leggies to a batsman who uses the same hand and and 99.9% of finger spinners are offies.

They didn't, they changed the rules because they realised they were based on false ideals. But anyway, Murali is incomparable to most other bowlers, because he has a physical deformity of the elbow which makes any straightening more apparent and even makes straightening appear apparent where there is none.

But they changed the rules as a result of reviewing them based on their decision to ban Murali's doosra. There are plenty of batsmen who think the initial rule was the correct one (degree of straightening). Adam Gilchrist being 1.

The rule was changed as a direct result of him. If Murali didn't exist, the rule would still be the same.

Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar have had rule changes made in Basketball as a direct result of them.

Nah, Botha isn't neccessarily using the same technique and has been found to be outside the limits. None of those others were - some, of course, were never tested.

Fair enough in that case.