MS Dhoni vs Michael Bevan

[PlayerComparisons]

Two greatest finishers

 

[cnerd123]

Very tough one this

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Very tough one this

Better than Kapil vs Harris for sure

 

[ankitj]

Tough one. Will give it to Bevan. Only just.

 

[Godard]

Very difficult yes. Both have a very good home away record. Bevan was very good everywhere except in Nz(where he was mediocre) and Sl(where he was poor), and Dhoni pretty well everywhere except Eng(mediocre) and Sa(poor). Both were adaptable, Bevan was consistent, while Dhoni was another player at 3 or 4(over 2000 runs@60+, SR 95 or something). Both have a similar ICC WC record as well. Era adjusted SR’s would be pretty similar. In the top order, I would prefer Dhoni, his destructiveness was something else. As a finisher, we have to look deeper. Dhoni has an average of 102.71 in won chases, with 2800+ runs and a fair number of not outs(which shows he usually guided the team till the end when required). Bevan has an average of 86 with 1725+ runs in successful run chases, with a good number of not outs. Bevan won Aus some pretty unwinnable matches while chasing, while Dhoni wouldn’t be able to, albeit singlehandedly. However India’s general chasing attitude in ODIs started changing with Dhoni a lot. As an ODI batsmen overall, Dhoni is greater, because he was a more destructive top order batsmen than Bevan as well as in addition being a comparable finisher. As a finisher I am undecided, maybe Bevan by a little, due to him being more of a pioneer as a finisher, and due to some of the crazy chases he pulled off. Maybe while batting first as finishers, both are comparable, as a chaser Bevan is greater, and hence the greater finisher. But Dhoni the greater overall ODI batsmen.

 

[Jumno]

Bevan:

-his innings Vs WI chasing when the team was 6 for 80 odd
-96 WC SF
-99 WC SF
-2001 last match Vs Ind in Ind
-102 Vs NZ
-his innings against eng 03 WC
-his innings against NZ
-his 185 Vs Asia 2000

Dhoni:

-183
-2011 WC final
-adelaide knock
-wc sf 2015
-wc sf 2019

 

[Jumno]

Klusenar

-99 WC
-WC SF 99
-innings against WI 2003 WC
-innings against sri l 2003 wc
-bichal bowled him vb series 2002
-innings against Ind 2000/01 odi series Ind win

 

[Adorable Asshole]

So Bevan S/R of 74 in 90s is good but Imran S/R of 72 in 80s in 80s. #weirdCWlogic

Dhoni is a better finisher than Bevan but Klusenar is better than both of them

 

[Everton Seymour]

I'm going with Dhoni ..I get a Six Hitter, a successful captain and a Chase Master all in one plus I love the story..Worthy of a movie. From a Train Ticket Collector to one of the biggest stars of ODI cricket, a mentality monster !

 

[Adorable Asshole]

I'm going with Dhoni ..I get a Six Hitter, a successful captain and a Chase Master all in one plus I love the story..Worthy of a movie. From a Train Ticket Collector to one of the biggest stars of ODI cricket, a mentality monster !

Your wish has been granted

 

[Coronis]

I'm going with Dhoni ..I get a Six Hitter, a successful captain and a Chase Master all in one plus I love the story..Worthy of a movie. From a Train Ticket Collector to one of the biggest stars of ODI cricket, a mentality monster !

Should’ve stayed a train ticket collector imo.

 

[Socerer 01]

So Bevan S/R of 74 in 90s is good but Imran S/R of 72 in 80s in 80s. #weirdCWlogic

Dhoni is a better finisher than Bevan but Klusenar is better than both of them

forgetting the small matter of average in that comparison to Imran

 

[Adorable Asshole]

forgetting the small matter of average in that comparison to Imran

I'm not really comparing Imran to Bevan. Just that Bevan poor S/R is forgiven rather easily compared to others. Bevan average is only high becaue of Not outs. I woul rather prefer a finisher verage 41 with S/R of 91 than 53 with s/r of 74

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm not really comparing Imran to Bevan. Just that Bevan poor S/R is forgiven rather easily compared to others. Bevan average is only high becaue of Not outs. I woul rather prefer a finisher verage 41 with S/R of 91 than 53 with s/r of 74

Since you seem determined to repeatedly shove this misunderstanding in everyone's face maybe we should set the record straight. Bevan's strike rate was perfectly fine for his era, and he actually struck at ~80 when batting first IIRC which is about as high as almost anyone at that time. His strike rate is lower batting second because he generally did exactly what it took to win games and didn't take unnecessary risks, which is what made him one of the most valuable, if not the most valuable, ODI cricketers of his time.

Bevan having a low SR was not an issue, trying to make it one is a clear indication that you didn't actually follow his career or matches he played in at all and are making assertions based off a complete misreading of stats

 

[TheJediBrah]

Anyway as players Dhoni's value as an excellent keeper and captain surely pips it

Purely as batsmen could go either way. Dhoni had a big late career slump where he maintained a great average but kept losing India matches which didn't happen with Bevan. But that could just be attributed to Dhoni having a longer career

 

[Socerer 01]

Anyway as players Dhoni's value as an excellent keeper and captain surely pips it

Purely as batsmen could go either way. Dhoni had a big late career slump where he maintained a great average but kept losing India matches which didn't happen with Bevan. But that could just be attributed to Dhoni having a longer career

any other country would have tossed Dhoni away after 2016 or at least made him step down instead of having him in the team to act as Kohli's commander because the latter couldn't be a good captain in white ball

 

[Socerer 01]

I'm not really comparing Imran to Bevan. Just that Bevan poor S/R is forgiven rather easily compared to others. Bevan average is only high becaue of Not outs. I woul rather prefer a finisher verage 41 with S/R of 91 than 53 with s/r of 74

He was not out because he was finishing games successfully at the end. Bevan's strike rate is forgiven because he was leading his team to victory. He was capable of scoring quicker if needed as TJB alludes to. In a few years everyone will want Buttler instead of Dhoni because of muh strike rate ignoring the era differences and playing style of the two teams

Also bringing up not outs in this thread is hilarious when the other guy is Dhoni

 

[TheJediBrah]

Didn't even notice "average boosted by not outs" was brought into this

This thread is full of my triggers

 

[Godard]

He was not out because he was finishing games successfully at the end. Bevan's strike rate is forgiven because he was leading his team to victory. He was capable of scoring quicker if needed as TJB alludes to. In a few years everyone will want Buttler instead of Dhoni because of muh strike rate ignoring the era differences and playing style of the two teams

Also bringing up not outs in this thread is hilarious when the other guy is Dhoni

Yes, not outs in ODIs, especially in ODI chases are a positive indication of the player as a chaser, that he can stay till the end to finish the game.

 

[Daemon]

Dhoni. Bevan played when ODIs had yet to be cracked, just like how all test records should be discounted now that England have figured out how to properly play them.