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subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Do teams make these trades?

70s/80s India exchange Kapil for Kallis?

2000s England exchange Flintoff for Stokes?

2010s India exchange Ashwin for Steyn?

90s South Africa exchange Pollock for Miller?

2000s SL exchange Sanga for Waqar?
 

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Probs no. India had a decent batting unit with Gavaskar, Viswanath, Amarnath and Vengsarkar. The pace bowling was ludicrously poor, so much so that Kallis will legit be our best bowler. The team will count on him to bowl 20+ over per innings, and think that will have all around bad effect on his performance.

No. Flintoff is their best ODI player ever, by a fine distance from anyone else bar Buttler. Re Test only, they might but probably no. Early to mid 2000s Flintoff was pretty Great too.

Probably yes. Ashwin is extremely valuable for the wins at home, but with Steyn we might actually win a few series we drew/lost away. A couple SA tours and England 2018 comes to mind the most, though we might lose 2020 BGT as well. At home, while Steyn can't sustain Ashwin's load, he is pretty Great in India and with Jadeja and later on Kuldeep/Axar; I think our spin line-up will do alright if not as good.

Overall yes just, 90s only no. 90s Pollock was Great all around the board. Think will take that. Including 2000s, think SA team balance is flexible enough to lead towards the better player, which I think is Miller, slightly. Including ODIs it gets messy given how Great Pollock was and how Miller will do is pure speculation.

Tough choice..... Think will take Sangakkara. The batting without him will suffer quite heavily. Waqar will be a great addition, but think Vaas was fine and ofcourse there was Murali.
 

Johan

Cricketer Of The Year
No, the bowling workload will break Kallis's back, and with that kind of batting and bowling imbalance winning would be hard, India would always have good batting but the bowling Kapil provides would eventually win them more games, I also don't have faith in Kallis averaging more than 47-48 in 80s, and at that point you're just sacificing winning for more pretty scores.

Yes in test, No in One Days, simply put, Andrew Flintoff is the greatest one day all rounder of all time and top 10 Cricketers in the format in general, Stokes in one days was very good but does not even approach him. In Tests, easily Stokes, bar the one year where his mental health imploded due to stress and the pandemic, Ben has been an excellent Cricketer since 2016, Flintoff does not compare.

Yes. Jadeja and Axar will maintain a similar level of home dominance, but Steyn would make them the true ATG side with two ATG away bowlers.

Yes, Miller was an exceptional bowler, no lesser than Lindwall in quality but simply bowled less thus had inferior output, as a bowler I think Miller was exceptional and probably the bowling equivalent of Steve Waugh or Allan Border, but he was also a very good near 40 averaging batter who could dominate outside wet pitches, he'd give the team more balance.

No, they do not have the batting resources outside home to capitalise on the advantage of having Waqar as your lead pacer away from home, almost all of them were home spin specialists.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I also don't have faith in Kallis averaging more than 47-48 in 80s, and at that point you're just sacificing winning for more pretty scores.
Interesting. Do you consider him an ATG bat?

Yes, Miller was an exceptional bowler, no lesser than Lindwall in quality but simply bowled less thus had inferior output, as a bowler I think Miller was exceptional and probably the bowling equivalent of Steve Waugh or Allan Border, but he was also a very good near 40 averaging batter who could dominate outside wet pitches, he'd give the team more balance.
Don't SA have enough ARs in the 90s that negates Millers batting advantage?
 

Migara

International Coach
Do teams make these trades?

70s/80s India exchange Kapil for Kallis?

2000s England exchange Flintoff for Stokes?

2010s India exchange Ashwin for Steyn?

90s South Africa exchange Pollock for Miller?

2000s SL exchange Sanga for Waqar?
Yes. Kallis provides stability against pace, and was a pretty decent bowler. But not in ODIs.

No.

Yes. They have enough Ashwin subs. But hardly any one quality as Steyn other than for Bumrah.

Doubtful. If Miller only bowled what he bowled he is not replacing Pollovk who was the leader of the attack. If he bowled as much as Pollock bowled, given his superior batting, he will.

Yes. Vaas, Waqar and Murali would have elevated the side to a world beater. Waqar would have had a way lengthier career too, because Vaas and Murali were tireless bowling machines, Waqar could step in and bowl short sharp spells. Batting would suffer no doubt overseas, but Waqar who is ready to steam in, the oppositions will think hard before serving with a green track. Waqar is a way lesser player than Sanga, but for 2000s SL team, a tearaway fast bowler was the most wanted item.
 

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
Yes. Kallis provides stability against pace, and was a pretty decent bowler. But not in ODIs.

No.

Yes. They have enough Ashwin subs. But hardly any one quality as Steyn other than for Bumrah.

Doubtful. If Miller only bowled what he bowled he is not replacing Pollovk who was the leader of the attack. If he bowled as much as Pollock bowled, given his superior batting, he will.

Yes. Vaas, Waqar and Murali would have elevated the side to a world beater. Waqar would have had a way lengthier career too, because Vaas and Murali were tireless bowling machines, Waqar could step in and bowl short sharp spells. Batting would suffer no doubt overseas, but Waqar who is ready to steam in, the oppositions will think hard before serving with a green track. Waqar is a way lesser player than Sanga, but for 2000s SL team, a tearaway fast bowler was the most wanted item.
Sangakkara outside Asia in the 00’s
1972 @ 48.09
Other Sri Lankans
9778 @ 25.27
 

Migara

International Coach
Sangakkara outside Asia in the 00’s
1972 @ 48.09
Other Sri Lankans
9778 @ 25.27
True. These were played on seamin tracks. Now think if Sri Lanka had a tear away quick averaging 19. The pitches automatically will get flattet and that average will just swell up.

Pre injury Waqar was 6 WPM bowler. Combine it with 6 WPM Spinner and 3 WPM pacer, that is serious fire power. Decent batting would be enough to win those matches.
 

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
True. These were played on seamin tracks. Now think if Sri Lanka had a tear away quick averaging 19. The pitches automatically will get flattet and that average will just swell up.

Pre injury Waqar was 6 WPM bowler. Combine it with 6 WPM Spinner and 3 WPM pacer, that is serious fire power. Decent batting would be enough to win those matches.
So you admit Vaas’ away stats are inflated by seaming tracks?
 

Migara

International Coach
So you admit Vaas’ away stats are inflated by seaming tracks?
Vaas was poor away from home. Especially whwn bounce was on offer. He specialised himself in hitting the pads of the batsmen and low bounce helped him.

However in any condition he was steady, accurate and can bowl very long spells, and reverse it when ot is old. Perfect foil for a tearaway fast bowler.
 

OverratedSanity

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Do teams make these trades?

70s/80s India exchange Kapil for Kallis? No. In that era India had no good quicks, and more importantly no good spinners. Swapping Kapil (who handled a massive bowling workload) for Kallis here would make no sense even though he's a better player.

2000s England exchange Flintoff for Stokes? Probably not. England's batting lineup was great, flintoff was too important for their bowling attack to be swapped out.

2010s India exchange Ashwin for Steyn? Obviously yes.

90s South Africa exchange Pollock for Miller? Yes. SA had enough batting and bowling depth. Would've benefitted from having a real big dick talismanic performer.

2000s SL exchange Sanga for Waqar? No.
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DrWolverine

International Regular
70s/80s India exchange Kapil for Kallis? No. Kapil was India’s only proper fast bowler. Kallis was a great batsman but India already had Gavaskar and also Vishy/Amarnath/Vengsarkar.

2000s England exchange Flintoff for Stokes? Yes.

2010s India exchange Ashwin for Steyn? Yes. India had Jadeja and would have got another good spinner as well. Steyn would have won matches outside India.

90s South Africa exchange Pollock for Miller? Yes.

2000s SL exchange Sanga for Waqar? No.
 

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