Malcolm Marshall vs Richard Hadlee

[subshakerz]

Who is the greater cricketer (not bowler)?

 

[Thala_0710]

There is about a 7 RPI/Avg difference between the two with the bat and hence most will go for Hadlee here. But imo, the value of that is lower than Marshall being the greatest bowler ever with a small but clear edge to Hadlee. After Bradman and Sobers, Marshall is the guaranteed third name on my All time Xi, and it looks like it will stay that way for quite a while (until Bumrah goes on an absolute tear).
So Marshall is my pick

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Tests
Hadlee Better bowler, far better batsman.

ODIs
Hadlee far better bowler, far better batsman

 

[subshakerz]

Hadlee overall slight edge because he mattered more to NZ cricket.

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

Marshall himself thought that Hadlee "was undoubtedly the best bowler" in his era (maybe he was being modest like Hadlee about Lillee):

from https://books.google.co.nz/books?id...selected_pages&hl=en&pli=1#v=onepage&q&f=true:

(this is taken from the 1994 book, "Kapil Dev: Triumph of the Spirit", a tribute book to Kapil after he broke Hadlee's world record)







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[Swamp Witch Hattie]

Hadlee on Marshall:

from https://www.espn.com/cricket/story/_/id/18515643/my-father-contribution-game-extraordinary:

 

[DrWolverine]

Hadlee

Even as bowlers they are almost equal. Maco gains because he had a shorter career, better bowling support and played for a stronger team

 

[Athlai]

Hadlee on Marshall:

from https://www.espn.com/cricket/story/_/id/18515643/my-father-contribution-game-extraordinary:

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[DrWolverine]

Hadlee overall slight edge because he mattered more to NZ cricket.

Has any cricketer been more important to their team than the legendary Richard Hadlee was to NZ?

 

[Johan]

Has any cricketer been more important to their team than the legendary Richard Hadlee was to NZ?

one can make a case for George Headley to West Indies in The 30s, not just by performance but also for inspiring the three Ws.

 

[subshakerz]

Has any cricketer been more important to their team than the legendary Richard Hadlee was to NZ?

Murali and Imran maybe.

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

one can make a case for George Headley to West Indies in The 30s, not just by performance but also for inspiring the three Ws.

I thought that was Tim Berners-Lee!

 

[shortpitched713]

Murali and Imran maybe.

For minnows Shakib al Hasan and Rashid Khan probably.

Hmm, there could be a thread O'Dea to compare lone wolfs...

 

[DrWolverine]

Bradman for Australia?

 

[Johan]

Bradman for Australia?

Australia had Ponsford, Woodfull, McCabe, Fingleton and Brown.

 

[DrWolverine]

I mean in terms of impact and popularity

 

[Srinath P]

The bowling difference is peanuts.

Have to go with Hadlee here, IMO greatest cricketer after Don (I don't like to have a batting AR at 2, that's the reason rather than it being objective)

 

[Johan]

Have to go with Hadlee here, IMO greatest cricketer after Don (I don't like to have a batting AR at 2, that's the reason rather than it being objective)

Sobers smokes

 

[Srinath P]

Sobers smokes

Oh definitely. Hadlee at 2 was more bias than an objective pick.

I think Kallis, Sobers, maybe Imran? are clear of Hadlee.

 

[Johan]

Oh definitely. Hadlee at 2 was more bias than an objective pick.

I think Kallis, Sobers, maybe Imran? are clear of Hadlee.

Sobers>Hadlee>Imran>Kallis for me