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Major WCC Announcement

Simon

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As many managers would be aware there has been many discussions behind the scenes in the last few days. A large proportion of you were approached after some managers showed their dislike to our recently implemented finance system, to our surprise it seems to have been rejected by most managers and even those who had accepted it was a good idea had some issue with it.

The major concerns by our longer serving managers were that WCC is so great because it was so simple. This is a view held by the board and is the major factor in the success of the game, it is evident that many of these managers feel its a better way to go without it. We still accept that the idea has some merit but this one has been widly viewed as unworkable.

Other problems included the complications in keeping track of your own finances, the unrealistic player wages and the lack of progression available to lower league managers. The board has taken in the point of view of everyone who has been approached and we agree with the issues raised by all the people who had these concerns, its in the best interest of everyone to keep the majority of people happy and it seems the only outcome is to scrap the current WCC finance system.

This decision was not made lightly and in hinesight we allowed things to roll on as they were too long, it has taken a bout of initiative from a number of managers to make the large proportion of people happy. We are really hoping that we can recover from this set back and take WCC foward, there have been some positives to come out of this and its now important to concentrate on these. We have the closest competitions ever, we have more people involved currently, and over 20 more wanting to play. The submissions of teams is at an all time high and the opinions of managers are being listened to, we hope everyone can accept the decision that has been reached as well as what will come in the future. We appreciate the work that marc put into developing the system but as has been stressed it is unfortunately unworkable, his been a great servant for WCC and i hope all managers will still welcome him if hes around.

Blewy and I have agreed on one new introduction to WCC and that is the addition of a 17th man to squads as of next season. This will mean a 7th draft round and the idea is to give managers more freedom when choosing their squads, this idea may be changed slightly in the future but this is how it will work. We are currently discussing the idea of allowing people who get poor rookies to keep extra players from their current squad. This idea will be based around the trading of draft picks 3 and 4 but this has not been finalised.

As a result of the extra rookies that were simmed under the finance system earlier in the season we find it unfair that managers would be required to give these up, so to make it fair all managers will now recieve 5 rookies, if u have already been allocated 5 u will recieve no more, if you got 4 you will recieve 1 more and so on. This has been agreed upon and will not be discussed further. Of all your rookies you will now be allowed to keep 3, if you keep 13 players (must include 3 rookies) you will drop draft picks 3, 4 and 7. If 12 players are retained you will drop picks 3 and 4. You may still only keep a maximum of 10 players from your main 16 players you have after trading before the draft.

Simon and Brendon

Edit: due to finance playing a part in physio injuries will be reset after this round, s you can consider all current injuries as 1 week to go, it will return to a normal chance of getting injuries after this week...
 
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Mister Wright

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I always thought that a finance system would improve World Club Cricket and make it more realistic and exciting. However, the one implemented seemed a little too difficult to understand and implement. I hope this does not discourage Marc from looking at the current system and finding possible ways to improve it.

The addition of 17 players is a great initiative.
 

Simon

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Mister Wright said:
Will the 5 rookies thing, be a regular addition, or is it just for this season?
just this season, it will be the standard 2 next season at this stage...

im also adding something about injuries, please read that...
 

marc71178

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Mister Wright said:
I hope this does not discourage Marc from looking at the current system and finding possible ways to improve it.
Sorry Kyle, but after the underhand way in which 2 managers (one of which as a board member should be thinking of the game as a whole rather than his own ego trip) have gone about this, fueled only by their own selfishness at having to actually think about what they're doing in trading, I began to lose all faith in integrity of the competition.

Then when I find that the 2 people who'd agreed it all and who I'd consulted throughout the setting up of the model (every bit I added being run past them and agreed as fine) - have suddenly changed sides and stabbed me in the back I have no option but to write off the literally days of time I've put into this as a complete waste of time. The fact I was basically presented with a fait acompli before having a chance to explain the reasoning that had previously been agreed as fine is rather less than satisfying

However, it has now got even better when I find out that "there has been many discussions behind the scenes in the last few days." - yet I was only informed of there being any problem briefly yesterday, and then I had to chase up further information as to what exactly was the issues that kind of made my decision easy - I have no intention of sticking around to put in hours of time only for them to all intents and purposes be written off by someone else without even consulting me.

I'll be now able to dedicate my time to ALFTA, where at least I know I can trust Liam to not do such an about face and where I know the people involved playing that game will think of the whole picture rather then their own team solely.
 

Cloete

International Captain
I definitely agree with the decision that's been made and there are a few excellent initiatives being put in.

At the end of the day, the majority (almost everyone really) of WCC wanted it out. So this is undoubtedly good for WCC, particularly when the head of finance acts in such a way.
 

nibbs

International Captain
marc71178, build a bridge or even better, cry me a river. I think your personal attack on that individual was totally uncalled for. he raised concerns, which a lot of managers agreed with him on and was right to put foward his concerns.

Personally I think these developments have left WCC in a much better position. The old system was much better than the one proposed by marc. As commented on by Simon, I feel that some aspects of the finance system were unrealistic, and because the whole package was designed to make the game more realistic, this could have become confusing, annoying and somewhat frustrating.

17 Players is certainly the way to go, although I think I'd prefer perhaps the amount of players a team can keep to changed to 11 + rookies, so that there'd still only be 6 draft rounds.

The older system is much nicer and effectively puts every team on even playing field when it comes to building a side. The future looks much better now and I feel a lot more positive playing the game in future. I have to admit the finance system had caused my WCC passion to sink big time to a point in which I wasn't sure if I wanted to play anymore. Heck, I even missed my first ever team submission a few weeks back, by simply forgetting. Now with things returning to way the in which they make sense I reckon I'll get right back into it


Cheers, Kurt
 

superkingdave

Hall of Fame Member
I broadly support this move as i thought that the finance system added to much complication and simplicity it part of what make WCC so good.

I also wasn't happy about this sponsorship thing that was to come in, which was forcing people to post match reports for the sake of the sponsorship rather than for the enjoyment. Player values also seemed sometimes arbitrary and if anything, it all coming in at once(running costs, wages, sponsorship extra rookies etc) was not the best thing.
 

bugssy

Cricketer Of The Year
well i will be one to say i am sorry to see the finance system chucked away, was looking forward to a bit of strategic planning each season however due to not being able to keep every manager happy, which happens more often than not these days, i am dissapointed that it has been scrapped, anyway.................its always the same managers that give there opinion and thats fine but this was going to work, but know i guess w ewill never now.......it gave a new dimension to the game, not that i am questioning the boards decision, it just feels that certain managers kick up a stink and they get there own way, anyway, its a crucial part of the season and managers need to focus on the job at hand so good luck, marc you want any help implementing a new finance system or tweaking the current on eto slot in with all managers mate let me know, and to as the 17th man its a good idea......
 

marc71178

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Sorry bugs, and thanks for the support, but after what I've outlined above, I'm not going to bother putting any more time into it.

I expected the abuse, and I expected it from those who've posted it, but to be honest I couldn't give a toss because it's only people's whose opinions I value that give my any concern.
 

age_master

Hall of Fame Member
marc71178 said:
Sorry Kyle, but after the underhand way in which 2 managers (one of which as a board member should be thinking of the game as a whole rather than his own ego trip) have gone about this, fueled only by their own selfishness at having to actually think about what they're doing in trading, I began to lose all faith in integrity of the competition.

Then when I find that the 2 people who'd agreed it all and who I'd consulted throughout the setting up of the model (every bit I added being run past them and agreed as fine) - have suddenly changed sides and stabbed me in the back I have no option but to write off the literally days of time I've put into this as a complete waste of time. The fact I was basically presented with a fait acompli before having a chance to explain the reasoning that had previously been agreed as fine is rather less than satisfying

However, it has now got even better when I find out that "there has been many discussions behind the scenes in the last few days." - yet I was only informed of there being any problem briefly yesterday, and then I had to chase up further information as to what exactly was the issues that kind of made my decision easy - I have no intention of sticking around to put in hours of time only for them to all intents and purposes be written off by someone else without even consulting me.

I'll be now able to dedicate my time to ALFTA, where at least I know I can trust Liam to not do such an about face and where I know the people involved playing that game will think of the whole picture rather then their own team solely.
indeed i agree, i have to say im dissapointed that people were so underhanded in this, as well as that people were not willing to give it more of a go. very poor.
 

nibbs

International Captain
marc71178 said:
I expected the abuse, and I expected it from those who've posted it, but to be honest I couldn't give a toss because it's only people's whose opinions I value that give my any concern.
no one has actually abused you, marc71178. i think that's worth noting
 

Simon

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unfortunately bugs and andrew you are in the minority, we have decided to act in the best interest of most wcc managers. Its like being a politician really, you can never please everyone but you have to do your best to make sure you can please as many people as possible.

Marc we are sorry it has ended up this way, but remember you came to Blewy and I and we said we would give it a go. We did and it turned out that it was unpopular, no one ever asked you to put the time and effort in you went out on a limb and did that, thats not to saty we dont appreciate the work you put in and solely for you im sorry it ended up this way but theres no need to start attacking people because they have an opinion. This isnt about back stabbing or people disliking you, its about a system that was implement and the majority of people wanted to see scrapped so we did. You had two ways to act when i sent you that email, i gave you the chance to negotiate with me and work on it, but you chose the wrong option and now youve burnt your bridges.
 

age_master

Hall of Fame Member
you cant say it was really given much of a go Simon, managers liek Cloete decided that they didn't like it and have been very vocal in that, without even giving it a chance - surely as the board approved this they could have at least given it more of a run, or opened a discussion on how to change it to make it easier/ simpler etc etc.

Also as it was a board approved decision surely a board member shouldn't be going around activley campagning against it
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
age_master said:
you cant say it was really given much of a go Simon, managers liek Cloete decided that they didn't like it and have been very vocal in that, without even giving it a chance - surely as the board approved this they could have at least given it more of a run, or opened a discussion on how to change it to make it easier/ simpler etc etc.

Also as it was a board approved decision surely a board member shouldn't be going around activley campagning against it
I don't know how Cloete dealt with others, but when I was contacted about my views he wasn't campaigning to me. He simply asked what I thought of the finance system, and I said that I like the idea of the finance system, but felt it needed improvement. We then went over the positives and negatives together, and Cloete did agree with the positives. Perhaps the board should have suspended the finance system and sought ideas on how it should be improved or whatever else, but in no way (in his dealings with me) did Cloete campaign.
 

Blewy

Cricketer Of The Year
Even though i have not been around to get the full idea of whats happening, my biggest concern was that even i struggled to get info...

Now I will say that i was a supporter of the idea, i was similar to bugs that i felt it would be a challenge to think about what i was to do with my team, however me being in the position that i am have to put my own judgements aside..

It was clear that the majority were very restless and that with the lack of info that was being given out were becoming more restless... Something had to be done.. Simon asked you marc if there could be a compromise and look at some changes but you brushed him without hesitation..

As for the behind the scenes discussion, i recieved an email from a member about 3 days ago,(Not Cloete).. They asked me to look into the situation and see if we could work something out... Me being in the position i am in left it with simon and he come back to me with the info...

I have left simon in charge of WCC whilst i am away and i FULLY back his decision 100%..

Attacking myself and Simon like you did is not fair at all Marc.....
 

Cloete

International Captain
I'm copping alot of criticism. But I can live with that, because I think WCC has changed for the better.

The reason I'm ocpping it is because people believe I have voiced my opinion and what not, but the thing is it's my job to do that. I never liked the idea from the start and expressed that in the various threads. But I thought, hey everyone else likes it I guess I'll have to put up with it. I spoke to Simon and he wasn't too crash hot on the idea, but again we figured the rest of WCC liked it.

Then I talked to a few more people just out of interest and they all seemed to be against it. So I kept speaking to more and more people, as I felt it was now muy duty as a board member to get everybody's idea on the situation. I think an e-mail was then sent to blewy, which, as he mentioned earlier, I did not send. After that I was asked to do a petition type thing asking what everybody thoguht of the issue, once again I felt it was my duty as a board member to do this.

I'm willign to cop any criticism though. But just remember, this wasn't anything to do with me being selfish. It was to do with the fact that around 90% of WCC didn't like the finance system and it as mu duty as a board member to raise these issues, last time I checked, Marc wasn't the head of WCC nor was he a vice president so I didn't feel obliged to raise it with him.

I hope that lears alot of things up...
 

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