I've heard a lot about this guy the tremendous talent and potential he got. And i must admit his stats do make a case for him. I've never seen him play but those who did do you guys think he will live up to his billing or will he be another Greame Hick (even though he wasn't bad in the internation arena he definately under-achieved)
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Kevin Pietersen
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Tim
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When a player averages more than 50 at FC level, there is huge expectation that they'll be able to do the same at test level. If Pietersen can do it, he'll be an excitement machine for sure...Chris Cairns who played for Notts said he's a good talent, and great to watch.
I think Peter Fulton may also suffer the same problem here in New Zealand.
I think Peter Fulton may also suffer the same problem here in New Zealand.
Rik
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It's obvious the guy is amazingly talented, he just keeps averaging 50+ a season and scoring at around 70-80 runs per 100 balls through a season! Although I doubt he'll do that at International level, I'm pretty sure he's going to be a very useful player. If he doesn't do well I'll be surprised, but don't compare him with Hick. Hick had a few flaws but mainly it was all in his mind, he lacked confidence and he's not a strong character, but with Pietersen it's more likely to be over-confidence, two entirely different problems.
Richard
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IMO Pietersen is a huge talent, and the fact that the media and selectors have been forced to wait to pick him is a massive blessing.
I still think he may have to learn a bit before being an international success, but if he fails to average 40+ in Tests I'll be very disappointed.
I still think he may have to learn a bit before being an international success, but if he fails to average 40+ in Tests I'll be very disappointed.
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How did he manage to score that many runs and take that many catches in that few years at that low an average?Adamc said:
Adamc
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Clearly you don't believe me. I am playing on Playstation so I can't give you screenshots, but anyway, his current record is: 32 years old, 215 innings, 14 not outs, 10,316 runs (average 51.32), 194 catches. He has been playing Tests for 11 years (21-32) at 12 Tests a year, minus injuries. As for the catches, he fields at first slip, and ICC2002 is hugely biased towards slips catches.Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Technically solid , mentally alot tougher than Hick ever was , superb attitude & extremely fit & strong.
Certainly capable of attacking , but he is yet to be subjected to any real pressure & thus his patience hasnt been tested.
I see no reason why he shouldnt be a huge succes.
But lets just wait & see , rather than talking him up before he's faced a ball at the top level.
I'd almost bet my house he'll do well in ODI's , his feilding is good , his bowling handy , his batting explosive.
But I still want to see him do it against a decent attack , he's never really had pressure being applied from both ends in FC cricket , thus he's never had to wait & eek out his runs , like he will have to do against certain attacks at the top level.
Certainly capable of attacking , but he is yet to be subjected to any real pressure & thus his patience hasnt been tested.
I see no reason why he shouldnt be a huge succes.
But lets just wait & see , rather than talking him up before he's faced a ball at the top level.
I'd almost bet my house he'll do well in ODI's , his feilding is good , his bowling handy , his batting explosive.
But I still want to see him do it against a decent attack , he's never really had pressure being applied from both ends in FC cricket , thus he's never had to wait & eek out his runs , like he will have to do against certain attacks at the top level.
Richard
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I really wish people would talk less about "pressure" and more about simply facing accurate bowling.
Because facing accurate bowling doesn't make every batsman feel under pressure - just the poor ones.
I did mention that I too think Pietersen may have a bit to learn about discretion before he's a Test success but the great thing is, he's got a good domestic one-day record as well as a good First-Class one, something plenty are sadly lacking ATM (Shah, Solanki, Troughton, Smith). This suggests that ODIs, the form he's likely to be picked for first, will probably be a success too.
I have a nasty feeling Pietersen may play a few Tests, find his style of play not yet suited, and then we'll get all the "you can't trust county cricket" rubbish again. He does seem to score too quickly at times.
Hopefully it won't take too long for him to learn some discretion.
Because facing accurate bowling doesn't make every batsman feel under pressure - just the poor ones.
I did mention that I too think Pietersen may have a bit to learn about discretion before he's a Test success but the great thing is, he's got a good domestic one-day record as well as a good First-Class one, something plenty are sadly lacking ATM (Shah, Solanki, Troughton, Smith). This suggests that ODIs, the form he's likely to be picked for first, will probably be a success too.
I have a nasty feeling Pietersen may play a few Tests, find his style of play not yet suited, and then we'll get all the "you can't trust county cricket" rubbish again. He does seem to score too quickly at times.
Hopefully it won't take too long for him to learn some discretion.
Richard
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Anderson, Dawson, Foster, Clarke, all examples of selection of players before they'd even played two decent seasons.marc71178 said:
OK, Dawson and Foster shouldn't even have been selected at all, but they were both selected off short careers.
They're not anywhere near as bad as the Pakistani and Sri Lankan selectors, but even if they manage to resist it, the call often comes out to follow the lead of the subcontinentals. People seriously think that picking players with little (or no) domestic experience is a good thing.
But yes, there is more of a problem with mislead selection (ie the "you can't trust county cricket" argument) than with premature picks.
http://uk.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/JAN/048641_ENG_19JAN2004.html
Interesting piece this. Does anyone know of the incident that this link pertains to?
I think that Notts have a very strong case and so its highly likely that KP will end up in a team he is desperate not to play for. Will this affect his run scoring? Assuming he is selected and not benched for upsetting the applecart.
Does anyone know if he had similar expeiences in South Africa?
Unproven until he plays international cricket IMO as the step up is large, both in terms of the mental and technical side. But has a very impressive domestic record so more likely than most to succeed I would imagine. Can never be certain though.
Interesting piece this. Does anyone know of the incident that this link pertains to?
I think that Notts have a very strong case and so its highly likely that KP will end up in a team he is desperate not to play for. Will this affect his run scoring? Assuming he is selected and not benched for upsetting the applecart.
Does anyone know if he had similar expeiences in South Africa?
Unproven until he plays international cricket IMO as the step up is large, both in terms of the mental and technical side. But has a very impressive domestic record so more likely than most to succeed I would imagine. Can never be certain though.
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