Keith Miller vs Brian Lara

[PlayerComparisons]

Two truly great players

 

[kyear2]

I guess we're going to go down the line to compare him to each great batsman?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I guess we're going to go down the line to compare him to each great batsman?

That’s a good idea thanks

 

[The Sean]

Man, and I thought I was obsessed with Keith Miller.

 

[h_hurricane]

Miller is the new Kallis.

 

[Coronis]

Man, and I thought I was obsessed with Keith Miller.

Where’s @Red when we need him?

 

[h_hurricane]

@Red rates Miller the batsman ahead of Border the batsman iirc.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Miller is the new Kallis.

Kallis: @subshakerz
Miller: @ma1978

 

[ma1978]

I respect Miller. I think Miller is iconic. I think his combination of skills makes him a unicorn. I just don’t think the sum of those parts equals a top ten batsman of all time. And almost all of cricket conventional wisdom even in Australia agrees with me.

 

[The Sean]

I respect Miller. I think Miller is iconic. I think his combination of skills makes him a unicorn. I just don’t think the sum of those parts equals a top ten batsman of all time. And almost all of cricket conventional wisdom even in Australia agrees with me.

In the interests of friendly discussion and getting our dynamic back on track, I have absolutely no problem at all with this opinion. I don't think the idea of rating Lara or Viv ahead of Miller is in any way outlandish, and is a perfectly defensible position to hold. Despite my well known admiration for Miller as a player, my issue has always been with a misrepresentation of the facts and consistency of argument, not whether certain players - particularly when they are as great as Richards or Lara - are rated ahead of him.

 

[Red]

@Red rates Miller the batsman ahead of Border the batsman iirc.

I might’ve said something like that.

I do think he’s an exceptional batsman, far better than his test average suggests. I don’t think he’s better than Border necessarily, but I do think he was about Mark Waugh level as a bat. Added to that, he gives you something in the vicinity of Cummins or Hazelwood with the ball. And he was an elite slipper. He’s just one hell of a cricketer.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Miller one of the greats for sure

 

[ma1978]

In the interests of friendly discussion and getting our dynamic back on track, I have absolutely no problem at all with this opinion. I don't think the idea of rating Lara or Viv ahead of Miller is in any way outlandish, and is a perfectly defensible position to hold. Despite my well known admiration for Miller as a player, my issue has always been with a misrepresentation of the facts and consistency of argument, not whether certain players - particularly when they are as great as Richards or Lara - are rated ahead of him.

I did take the time to learn more about Miller following that conversation and there were def areas where I was wrong - ie, not being a lead bowler which he definitely was. I had always known more about Miller the cultural icon than Miller the cricketer and in some ways, being a cultural icon (like Imran) can obfuscate his excellence as a cricketer

 

[kyear2]

I might’ve said something like that.

I do think he’s an exceptional batsman, far better than his test average suggests. I don’t think he’s better than Border necessarily, but I do think he was about Mark Waugh level as a bat. Added to that, he gives you something in the vicinity of Cummins or Hazelwood with the ball. And he was an elite slipper. He’s just one hell of a cricketer.

I can agree with everything said above, he was a magnificent cricketer.

But it's strange you use those examples, from the perspective of.... Last night I was reading over a thread and was thinking that Sobers was the equivalent and combination of a more consistent Lara (minus the express short pitched issues), Ishant with the ball and Mark Waugh at second slip.

Imagine that for a min, a top 4 ATG top tier batsman, an amalgamation of an above average fast medium opening swing bowler, an over burdened stock bowler, a reasonable orthodox spinner and useful left arm wrist spinner. On top of all that an absolute top tier ATG slip fielder and arguably the greatest close in catcher ever. No he wasn't a good orthodox spinner nor efficient stock bowler, but at every thing else he seemed to have exceeded.

Sorry for and pardon the intrusion, but wanted to make the point and have no desire to revive the other thread.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

lol at calling Sobers the bowler = Ishant.

 

[kyear2]

lol at calling Sobers the bowler = Ishant.

Yes, stole that from the same aforementioned thread, even though not my comp, the averages are comparable.