Kapil Dev vs Shahid Afridi (ODI)

[smash84]

Everyone accepts Dev wins overall - a few hypernationalists want to argue specifically about batting. Both ave 23, one has much more impactful innings but a solitary ton vs minnows apparently swings it.

It isn't clear from the OP that this only about bowling. But you're probably right about Afridi's batting. It was hopeless in general but played an impactful innings every 20 innings or so.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

a solitary ton vs minnows apparently swings it.

Dont be delusional.

Some of Kapil's famous knocks..
51 ball 75 against Hadlee and Company ( 75 out of team score 204 )

50 against Hadlee and Co. Out of team score 140.

37 ball 60 against Botham and Willis, out of team score 190

47 against Botham and Willis out of team score 160

38 ball 72 against Holding, Roberts and Marshall

27 ball 40 against Australia, out of team score 158

World record 175

37 ball 54 against Hadlee's NZ, out of team score 207

31 ball 58 against Australia

52 ball 59 against Akram and Imran, out of team score 212

54 ball 64 against England out of team score 214

58 ball 72 against NZ to win MOM ( bowling figures 10 over 54 runs zero wickets )

64 ball 87 against West Indies, out of team score 193

42 ball 52 against WI, out of team score 205

44 against Ambrose, Bishop and Walsh out of team score 148

41 against Ambrose, Walsh and Marshall out of team score 211 ( top scorer for the team )

38 ball 46 against Hadlee, out of team score 221 ( team top scorer )

39 out of 157 against Australia ( team top scorer )

29 ball 42 out of 180 against Donald and company.

All epic performances, even for Afridi Era standards of Strike rate.

 

[Prince EWS]

How is this thread still real?

 

[number11]

Dont be delusional.

Some of Kapil's famous knocks..
51 ball 75 against Hadlee and Company ( 75 out of team score 204 )

50 against Hadlee and Co. Out of team score 140.

37 ball 60 against Botham and Willis, out of team score 190

47 against Botham and Willis out of team score 160

38 ball 72 against Holding, Roberts and Marshall

27 ball 40 against Australia, out of team score 158

World record 175

37 ball 54 against Hadlee's NZ, out of team score 207

31 ball 58 against Australia

52 ball 59 against Akram and Imran, out of team score 212

54 ball 64 against England out of team score 214

58 ball 72 against NZ to win MOM ( bowling figures 10 over 54 runs zero wickets )

64 ball 87 against West Indies, out of team score 193

42 ball 52 against WI, out of team score 205

44 against Ambrose, Bishop and Walsh out of team score 148

41 against Ambrose, Walsh and Marshall out of team score 211 ( top scorer for the team )

38 ball 46 against Hadlee, out of team score 221 ( team top scorer )

39 out of 157 against Australia ( team top scorer )

29 ball 42 out of 180 against Donald and company.

All epic performances, even for Afridi Era standards of Strike rate.

You just listed every decent score he made. The 1 ton vs a minnow remains true.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

You just listed every decent score he made. The 1 ton vs a minnow remains true.

Decent? 38 ball 72 against an attack in the league of Holding, Roberts and Marshall is an exceptional performance even today.. And this was in 80s.

Afridi's 100s were the result of easier era and batting position.
Kapil's peak 10 yrs were a league ahead of any time period from Afridi's career. And if you era adjust numbers, its not even a comparison.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Afridi scored 9% of team runs and top scored 7% of total innings played

Kapil scored 8.6% of team runs and top scored 7.6% of total innings played.

Almost identical in the first glance, but Kapil stats is a league above considering the batting positions.

 

[Migara]

NO.. 2000s was far easier than 80s and 90s

For test cricket may be. But not for ODIs.

 

[Jumno]

Decent? 38 ball 72 against an attack in the league of Holding, Roberts and Marshall is an exceptional performance even today.. And this was in 80s.

Afridi's 100s were the result of easier era and batting position.
Kapil's peak 10 yrs were a league ahead of any time period from Afridi's career. And if you era adjust numbers, its not even a comparison.

I'm sure Afridi went berserk in an odi against India where India was 2-0 up and Pakistan won it 4-2 in India around 04 or 05

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I'm sure Afridi went berserk in an odi against India where India was 2-0 up and Pakistan won it 4-2 in India around 04 or 05

Off course he did..
Easier era.. Avg attack... Opening batting.

 

[Jumno]

Off course he did..
Easier era.. Avg attack... Opening batting.

Pathan, balaji, bhajji, not sure who the other pacer was

 

[h_hurricane]

For test cricket may be. But not for ODIs.

That is silly. The par score in 1980s was somewhere in the range of 200-220. It increased slightly in 1990s. In 2000s, there were many 300+ scores pushing the par score well above 250 for the decade. You already know it.

 

[ma1978]

That is silly. The par score in 1980s was somewhere in the range of 200-220. It increased slightly in 1990s. In 2000s, there were many 300+ scores pushing the par score well above 250 for the decade. You already know it.

Exactly averages were not that different but strike rates were, and in ODI cricket, once batters reach a certain average, strike rate is the determinative factor, particularly in the middle or lower order

 

[ankitj]

One averaged 23 in a tougher era with a far better adjusted SR and was more reliable in crisis situations . Also did well against quality attacks compared to the other.

Had Kapil played in the Afridi era, He would have averaged at least 28 at 130 SR With more number of 50s than Afridi.

Can you now also adjust Kapil's bowling average downwards? You already did this for him in tests. Let's complete this.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Can you now also adjust Kapil's bowling average downwards? You already did this for him in tests. Let's complete this.

Off course.. His bowling stats would have been better with better support and conditions.