Jenner attacks the way the English Treat Leg spin

[chris.hinton]

what do you say about that then Marc71178

 

[Mr. P]

is there any way you could wrap that up in say, 3 sentences?

 

[luckyeddie]

Please edit the post to include a link, Chris, as opposed to just cutting and pasting the entire article. Some websites get very upset about that sort of thing - but all of them are quite happy for you to link to them.

And yes, Jenner does talk an awful lot of sense.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

is there any way you could wrap that up in say, 3 sentences?

Learn to read. :P

 

[marc71178]

And leg-spinners cannot thrive in an environment of relaxed insouciance.

what do you say about that then Marc71178

WTF is "an environment of relaxed insouciance."?

That is about all I have to say about that.

So Terry Jenner has had another moan, big deal.

He's only famous because he helped one player become a star, and who's to say that player wouldn't have done it on his own?

 

[gibbsnsmith]

im sorry but ive never heard of jenner, am i sjupposed to have, can someone please say something about him.

He has a lot of points there which really arent wrong and i can understand as im a leggie whos gets pulled too often for my captains liking...


can someone explain to me how to bowl a flipper, googly are easy as are topspinners but flippers have evaded me....

what do people think of Ian Salisbury, yes him that old english leggie

 

[luckyeddie]

Re: Re: Jenner attacks the way the English Treat Leg spin

WTF is "an environment of relaxed insouciance."?

That is about all I have to say about that.

So Terry Jenner has had another moan, big deal.

He's only famous because he helped one player become a star, and who's to say that player wouldn't have done it on his own?

Insouciance - light-hearted unconcern.
Like English fielders saying 'Oh bad luck, Graeme' when he treads on his wicket.

Flippance, not giving a toss.

 

[chris.hinton]

Re: Re: Jenner attacks the way the English Treat Leg spin

WTF is "an environment of relaxed insouciance."?

That is about all I have to say about that.

So Terry Jenner has had another moan, big deal.

He's only famous because he helped one player become a star, and who's to say that player wouldn't have done it on his own?

He means that leg spinners should do there own things not bowl flat... but because we dont trust our Batsman (At any Level) it not allowed to happen..........

Jenner having a moan? he speaking about thing WRONG and the flaw about English cricket

He only famous for helping one player become a star? what about Paul Adams coming back into the south africa side who helped that Terry Jenner... and he helped Macgill as well..... and i could go on but hey

It more then you can say Marc you remind me of an typical english Coach his view is always right... and says bollocks about what people BETTER qualified have to say

so Marc what have you achieved in the game of Cricket?

 

[chris.hinton]

im sorry but ive never heard of jenner, am i sjupposed to have, can someone please say something about him.

He has a lot of points there which really arent wrong and i can understand as im a leggie whos gets pulled too often for my captains liking...


can someone explain to me how to bowl a flipper, googly are easy as are topspinners but flippers have evaded me....

what do people think of Ian Salisbury, yes him that old english leggie

he coached Shane Warne? and is coaching all young leggies around the world?

I cannot tell you how to bowl a Flipper but search the net i sure there will be a tutorial...

Salisbury is very talented but English Caoches have messed him up

 

[luckyeddie]

im sorry but ive never heard of jenner, am i sjupposed to have, can someone please say something about him.

He has a lot of points there which really arent wrong and i can understand as im a leggie whos gets pulled too often for my captains liking...


can someone explain to me how to bowl a flipper, googly are easy as are topspinners but flippers have evaded me....

what do people think of Ian Salisbury, yes him that old english leggie

Check out the BBC Academy website - you might have to dig around but I'm pretty sure you'll find all you need to know.

There's some videos on there too

BBC Academy website

 

[marc71178]

Chris, if your brother wasn't a leg spinner, you wouldn't even be championing them.

Face facts. There are NO English spinners that are world class, becauser the conditions are not suited to producing them.

 

[Langeveldt]

Im a leggie and I bowl flat because quite naturally i dont want to be hit for sixes... Its not that hard to undrestand!

Id rather bowl 10-1-30-1 than 10-0-60-3

 

[marc71178]

Im a leggie and I bowl flat because quite naturally i dont want to be hit for sixes... Its not that hard to undrestand!

Id rather bowl 10-1-30-1 than 10-0-60-3

Don't tell Chris that, he'd say you're not a real leg spinner.!

 

[Langeveldt]

Don't tell Chris that, he'd say you're not a real leg spinner.!

Oh so do loads of people, but all club players play one day cricket, so its imperitive they keep the runs right down, then who needs to take wickets?

 

[chris.hinton]

Chris, if your brother wasn't a leg spinner, you wouldn't even be championing them.

Face facts. There are NO English spinners that are world class, becauser the conditions are not suited to producing them.

Perhaps, but i underatand Jenner and the way he pretichs leg spin and the way about it

Facts of course there are no world class English Spinners but the Conditions are there because Good Spinners can turn it on ice and that is a fact?

But listen to Jenner he is right he knows all about leg spin He bowled it himself


MARC get a Reality check

 

[chris.hinton]

Im a leggie and I bowl flat because quite naturally i dont want to be hit for sixes... Its not that hard to undrestand!

Id rather bowl 10-1-30-1 than 10-0-60-3

Rubbish mate and you know it so you are a bit of a wimp

" OH I dont wanna be hit for a six i dont wanna cry to my mommy " GROW UP MATE!!!!!!!!

it does not matter if you get hit for six the next ball is a new challenge and the odds are that when you got hit for six you where meters away from a catch...... also i bet you have not been spotted by jenner becasue of bowling flat and you are unlikley to improve...... that is just the way it is

and to say you want take 3 wickets shows you not a risk taker and therfore there is no need for you to bowl leg spin try medium pace instead you be ok then............

 

[Neil Pickup]

This one's going to be interesting.

I believe one of Chris' quotes he drags out every damn time this comes up is "ask young bowlers what would they prefer, 3/60 or 1/30 they will all say 3/60".

Kind of pours cold water of that bonfire.

If you've seen the junior and lower level cricket I've seen, flighted balls do not work far more often than they do as batsmen do not play cricket they just slog, swipe, mow, whatever you want to call it.

Bowling flighted spin in that is 80% of the a recipe for defeat. Yes it wins you a few games but not often. You need a 3-day plus Under-19 county championship for proper development and more conducive spinning conditions as Derby in April does not suit. There are few places in England for even shorter spaces of time to really develop spin unless you're really special.

Good spinners can turn it on ice but they need help in their development years in more conducive circumstances.

"But listen to Jenner he is right he knows all about leg spin He bowled it himself" By this logic, we'd listen to David Hookes, too.

And Salisbury is not very talented.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Rubbish mate and you know it so you are a bit of a wimp

" OH I dont wanna be hit for a six i dont wanna cry to my mommy " GROW UP MATE!!!!!!!!

it does not matter if you get hit for six the next ball is a new challenge and the odds are that when you got hit for six you where meters away from a catch...... also i bet you have not been spotted by jenner becasue of bowling flat and you are unlikley to improve...... that is just the way it is

and to say you want take 3 wickets shows you not a risk taker and therfore there is no need for you to bowl leg spin try medium pace instead you be ok then............

Name-calling is the sign of a lost argument.

All you are showing here is exactly what you are criticising Marc for - a narrow mind.

For starters, there's a world of difference between spin, even flat spin, and medium pace. Around 20mph for starters. Spin comes in many guises in the same way that though Anderson and Flintoff bowl at similar pace and are both RFM, they are hugely different bowlers.

And why can't Terry Jenner get Adams to bowl something that turns the "right" way?

 

[chris.hinton]

Name-calling is the sign of a lost argument.

All you are showing here is exactly what you are criticising Marc for - a narrow mind.

For starters, there's a world of difference between spin, even flat spin, and medium pace. Around 20mph for starters. Spin comes in many guises in the same way that though Anderson and Flintoff bowl at similar pace and are both RFM, they are hugely different bowlers.

And why can't Terry Jenner get Adams to bowl something that turns the "right" way?

no it not it means he is acting like an idiot but if that what he believes then he can go on his merry way but he is unlikely to take 7 wickets in a match

i agree with the second point but as Jenner says " Break is off the pitch Spin is in the air"

What i mean is that why bowl flat spin when you can go Flighted instead

 

[chris.hinton]

The other knock against wrist spinners in England has been that the conditions do not favour them. Jenner disagrees vehemently. 'I don't think it's the conditions. I tell you why: because every good leg-spinner who's come here has been successful - so it can't be the conditions. It's the attitude. They say, "leg-spinners can't bowl on these pitches, they're too slow." Rubbish. You just bowl further up to the bat.'

From Jenner and marc Listen to him for once