Jacques Kallis vs Jack Hobbs

[Bolo.]

Everyone gets out cheaply early. Bradman reckoned this was unavoidable and bats needed to cash in more when set. Bradman is out for less than 20 in 22/80 innings. His average is so high because he scored 118 runs per innings in the remainder. He almost never gets opportunities to go big, and his early failures represent a much higher proportion of his time at the crease. If he doesn't strike farm, and gets his usual rate of sub 20 scores, he may never get an opportunity to hit his career average, even if he is never dismissed in another game (which is obviously ridiculous).

Strike farming drops this impact a bit, but doesn't eliminate it. And adds in issues of turning down runs, taking risks to make runs and difficultly scoring runs into different fields

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

How do you know that?

Equal parts science, intuition, and ancient voodoo rituals.

 

[kyear2]

How the hell does his bowling in a superfluous spot, and fielding, strengthen a team's batting?

The team with Sachin is just happy to play a bowler "short" with 5, and presumably believe extra batting of Sachin makes their batting lineup stronger than the one with Kallis.

It's not about making the batting stronger, it's about having additional bowling contingencies, and re the fielding, making the overall team stronger. That wasn't apparent?

That's the thing though, while I believe Sachin is a better batsman, he doesn't give "extra batting" nor necessarily make your lineup stronger. Kallis was rock solid and matched Sachin's output during the time they both played.

 

[kyear2]

What if he were your no. 8 batter too? Where is the line?

Higher than wherever it currently sits.

These hypotheticals are getting worse tbh.

 

[Coronis]

Equal parts science, intuition, and ancient voodoo rituals.

Push ups, sit ups and plenty of juice.

 

[sayon basak]

Push ups, sit ups and plenty of juice.

I know an Austrian painter that liked plenty of juice.

 

[shortpitched713]

Push ups, sit ups and plenty of juice.

Have it on good authority he did it by collapsing to the ground and shouting out "I wanna know the answers to stupid cricket hypotheticals! I wanna I wanna!" while pounding his fist in the ground.

Then he just knew.

 

[shortpitched713]

I know an Austrian painter that liked plenty of juice.

Actually, the opposite was true.

 

[sayon basak]

Actually, the opposite was true.

We eat chicken although we love chicken.

Think about it.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I think we have reached more or less agreement then.

I don't seem him as specialist as bowler, but I do grant that he is better than just raw WPM would make it due to longevity though he had lesser bowling load per game, near specialist quality in the start and then declining with time, but gave a big boost to SA in terms of the team makeup especially between Donald and Steyn.

I would still put him outside Sobers, Imran, Miller and Botham, etc. as the few ARs who are specialist level in both disciplines, but he is closer than originally granted.

Btw subz, although I agree with you on Kallis, I found an old post of yours in which you say statistically, he is the best player post 1990

 

[capt_Luffy]

Btw subz, although I agree with you on Kallis, I found an old post of yours in which you say statistically, he is the best player post 1990

Kallis being the best AND Lara ahead of Sachin!!!!?? That post had some massive revelations!!!

 

[sayon basak]

Btw subz, although I agree with you on Kallis, I found an old post of yours in which you say statistically, he is the best player post 1990

Would he also rate Akram ahead of the overrated Warne and Murali?

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Would he also rate Akram ahead of the overrated Warne and Murali?

Don’t think so. There Subz is the same today also and rates the top 5/6 pacers(including Mcgrath and maybe Amby, but not Akram) ahead of Warne/Murali

 

[sayon basak]

Don’t think so. There Subz is the same today also and rates the top 5/6 pacers(including Mcgrath and maybe Amby, but not Akram) ahead of Warne/Murali

Respectable imo. Although I can't guess the 5 or 6 pacers he would rate ahead of those two( McGrath, Hadlee, Marshall, Ambrose and....Barnes?)

 

[capt_Luffy]

Respectable imo. Although I can't guess the 5 or 6 pacers he would rate ahead of those two( McGrath, Hadlee, Marshall, Ambrose and....Barnes?)

Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Imran, Steyn. That's it I believe for him. @subshakerz can correct me.

 

[ankitj]

That's the thing though, while I believe Sachin is a better batsman, he doesn't give "extra batting" nor necessarily make your lineup stronger. Kallis was rock solid and matched Sachin's output during the time they both played.

@kyear2 should read this

 

[ankitj]

Wait @kyear2 wrote that

 

[capt_Luffy]

@kyear2 should read this

He actually follows that...... But with Bradman and Sobers.

 

[subshakerz]

Btw subz, although I agree with you on Kallis, I found an old post of yours in which you say statistically, he is the best player post 1990

Yup that was a while ago, I put all more stock into stats than peer review back then.

Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Imran, Steyn. That's it I believe for him. @subshakerz can correct me.

Yeah.

 

[Coronis]

Yup that was a while ago, I put all more stock into stats than peer review back then.



Yeah.

I find your lack of consistency disturbing.