What happens is that the drag on a cricket ball increases with speed until about 145 kmph after which it drops down. So when the ball leaves the bowler's hand at 140 kmph it reaches the batsman at around 130 kmph. But when a bowler bowls above the critical speed the drag is very littleand the ball reaches the batsman at nearly the same speed as it left the hand. This is why there's a drastic difference between facing fast medium and express fast bowlers.TDCC Young Guns said:
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Jacob Oram - more speed please?
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Mingster
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The difference between 125 and 135 is not only speed, you get more bounce and giving the batsman that less time of playing the ball.
Ask anyone international batsman whether they would rather play an accurate 125km/h bowler (Styris) or an accurate 135km/h bowler (McGrath) and I bet most would rather face the faster one.
And yes, I have faced bowlers bowling at me at 125km/h, medium pace, AND 135km/h and the difference is pretty telling.
Ask anyone international batsman whether they would rather play an accurate 125km/h bowler (Styris) or an accurate 135km/h bowler (McGrath) and I bet most would rather face the faster one.
And yes, I have faced bowlers bowling at me at 125km/h, medium pace, AND 135km/h and the difference is pretty telling.
Richard
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I think this just about sums-up this thread!Loony BoB said:I'm sure that Oram, too, would like to have an increase of speed. As would Tuffey, Styris, Franklin and every other 80mph bowler we have. I'm pretty confident that at least half the bowlers in the world would like a bit more speed. Hell, I'd like to bowl with a bit more speed, and I don't even play cricket.I'd also like our batsmen to be better and our bowlers to take more wickets. >=D
Anyone with any sense would like more tools at their disposal than they have. But there is a limit to what all of us can achieve.
WRT Oram, he's a seam bowler and no matter how much bounce or pace he gets he's not going to get decent batsmen out unless the wickets are seaming around, he's not a swing bowler and with that action he never will be. England, for the most part, batted well at Lord's and while his accuracy went downhill at Trent Bridge I think we can attribute that to the fact that there's no way he was fit to bowl.
And Corey, I've never faced even 120 kph from a proper bowler and I'm glad I haven't (I've faced it from a machine with tennis-balls and that was tricky enough), but I do fully understand that there is no significant difference between 125 and 135. Once your eye is that good, even 145 won't unduly trouble you, just make you have to concentrate a bit harder.
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Neil Pickup
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I think you may have meant kph 
just slightly off topic but following on the debate re local / pitch conditions & pace bowling...
regarding the NZL & ENG type conditions - could it be that genuine pace negates the effects of seam movement & swing as the ball does not have enough time to 'grip' the surface to be effected by it..........hence why NZL & ENG mainly produce fast med seam & swing bowlers who also tend to bowl across the top of the pitch as opposed to banging it in.............
I'd also hazard to guess that the local soil base types also have a major influence - ENG & NZL being lusher & thus softer with more give, AUS, RSA & WIN being more like concrete & giving more bounce & pace, and the sub continent being dryer would not hold together as well & thus break up & be condusive to spin...............
note this is an over simplification & I'm not just talking about the wicket block but primarily the base on which it is prepared & how that would affect the block..........
regarding the NZL & ENG type conditions - could it be that genuine pace negates the effects of seam movement & swing as the ball does not have enough time to 'grip' the surface to be effected by it..........hence why NZL & ENG mainly produce fast med seam & swing bowlers who also tend to bowl across the top of the pitch as opposed to banging it in.............
I'd also hazard to guess that the local soil base types also have a major influence - ENG & NZL being lusher & thus softer with more give, AUS, RSA & WIN being more like concrete & giving more bounce & pace, and the sub continent being dryer would not hold together as well & thus break up & be condusive to spin...............
note this is an over simplification & I'm not just talking about the wicket block but primarily the base on which it is prepared & how that would affect the block..........
I agree completely , Ive faced Evan Kellar (who bowls in the high 120's) , Stuart Karppinen (mid 130's) and a bowling machine just short of 140 , once it gets over about 125 you dont tend to notice to difference so much in raw pace , the ball just seems to hit hitting the bat a little harder but you dont notice having significantly less time to play the shot.Top_Cat said:
Richard
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I don't need to have watched every game to have seen plenty of bowlers who are not genuine swing-bowlers take wickets with deliveries that swung. Flintoff is another example - he hardly ever swings a ball, conventional or reverse, but there were occasions in 2002 when he made it do both. He got Nehra lbw in the first-innings at Lord's with a beauty of a reverse-in-swinger from round-the-wicket.Mingster said:
Of course Oram will swing the ball occasionally, but not in the main.
superkingdave
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Flintoff bowling has always been affected by how injured he is!Kent said:
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Luckily Oram hasn't had much injuries in his career so far.superkingdave said:
I remember the first time Oram played in an ODI in NZ against SL, he smacked a SL spinner onto the top of the roof for 6. They even started then to give him the tag "The Left-Handed Chris Cairns".
tooextracool
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flintoff generally bowls at 85-86 mph.....they are occasions particularly in bowler friendly conditions where he can get to 90 mph but on average 85-86. but flintoff is the sort of bowler who looks faster than he actually is because he bowls what you might call "heavy balls", that might not be wicket taking but are very difficult to score off....Kent said:
