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Is Jasprit Bumrah an ATG test bowler?

Is Jasprit Bumrah an ATG test bowler?

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kevinw

International Debutant
subshakerz said:
No he is not.

ATGs need both duration and quality.
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What is the acceptable cut off though? Let's look at the WI greats. Croft got 125 wickets, Roberts 202, Holding 249, Garner 259. Bumrah will go past all of those at better averages. But it's also possible he won't take as many wickets as Ishant Sharma or Zaheer Khan, but he's vastly better than both. How many bowlers have that genuine sweet spot you mention? Hadlee, Marshall, McGrath, Steyn, Ambrose? Taking 200 wickets at a better rate than anyone else qualifies. Or else does Barnes not count?
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
kevinw said:
What is the acceptable cut off though? Let's look at the WI greats. Croft got 125 wickets, Roberts 202, Holding 249, Garner 259. Bumrah will go past all of those at better averages. But it's also possible he won't take as many wickets as Ishant Sharma or Zaheer Khan, but he's vastly better than both. How many bowlers have that genuine sweet spot you mention? Hadlee, Marshall, McGrath, Steyn, Ambrose? Taking 200 wickets at a better rate than anyone else qualifies. Or else does Barnes not count?
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300 wickets with a decade long career for a modern bowler to qualify.
 
Howsie

Howsie

Cricketer Of The Year
kevinw said:
What is the acceptable cut off though? Let's look at the WI greats. Croft got 125 wickets, Roberts 202, Holding 249, Garner 259. Bumrah will go past all of those at better averages. But it's also possible he won't take as many wickets as Ishant Sharma or Zaheer Khan, but he's vastly better than both. How many bowlers have that genuine sweet spot you mention? Hadlee, Marshall, McGrath, Steyn, Ambrose? Taking 200 wickets at a better rate than anyone else qualifies. Or else does Barnes not count?
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Good question, but 200 definitely isn’t enough.

I still can’t believe I heard three different commentators ask if, or imply he could be the greatest bowler of all time during that last test. I mean I get that commentators all over the world simp over Indian cricketers to keep the gigs/money rolling in but still, absolutely nuts.
 
Red_Ink_Squid

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
PlayerComparisons said:
If Bumrah retired today, would he be an ATG?
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Eh, he's unquestionably ATG in quality.

He hasn't got the career of a top-tier great yet though. If he retired today, he'd go into the Bishop/Shoaib grouping which is more "unfulfilled great" tier. (He'd probably be the best of the 3 which is serious praise - but they would be his peers rather than Marshall, Steyn, et al.)
 
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Randomfan

Cricket Spectator
His most wickets have come playing out of home and against good teams . Collectively, he may have as many wickets away against good teams as other greats.

What he lacks is getting volume up by playing at home more and may be doing some stats pad against BD/Zim/SL/WI. If I recall, at home he has only 40-50 wickets at avg of 17 and against minnows/bottom tier teams avg is 9-12. So plenty of room for stats padding. 10 tests there and gets 50 cheap wickets to get his average even lower, but I don't think it will make him a better bowler. It will just increase his volume of wickets at lower average. Meanigless in rating any bowler in my opinion. Do it against good teams, do it away, do it with a large enough sample size to judge quality. He has it all for me.

Collectively, a large enough sample size against top teams of his era and mostly playing away. Surpassing everyone else in Avg and SR. 300-400 wickets seems an artifical cut off in 3 format era for a bowler who is playing and firing in all 3 formats. I don't think much left to prove away from home for him. 2-3 good series at home against good teams will be helpful in me rating him higher. He has one against Eng. Needs a few more.

He can hang his boots right now, I will rate him as an ATG.
 
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Qlder

International Regular
There's a reason people can't get inducted into the hall of fame until 5 years after retirement...deciding ATG shouldn't be until retired
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
If he never played another test. Jasorit would be the Sandy Koufax of test cricket. That’s an ATG. It looks like he will play more tests
 
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