Is Bumrah the best cricketer India has ever produced?

[Arachnodouche]

If Bumrah was born English he'd already be an ATG. He'd also bowl at Ollie Robinson's pace and wear Jimmeh's milk-gone-sour expression. I'll take his 300 wickets ceiling and the Golden Retriever face instead.

 

[ma1978]

the gap between Tendulkar and the next best domestic Indian batsman that would have played is smaller than the gap between Bumrah and ****ing Venkatesh Prasad or the 3rd pacer that played

Batsmen are more important than bowlers, and no

 

[Xix2565]

Batsmen are more important than bowlers, and no

Wrong and wrong sadly.

 

[honestbharani]

That might be stretching it.

Indian great tbf.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Indian great tbf.

Probably more important to modern Indian fast bowling than Kapil even.

 

[Anil]

Bowling > Batting in terms of winning matches. Particularly fast bowling, if you want to win matches away from home.

Are you seriously saying Tendulkar hasn’t won matches for India? Bumrah is a wonderful bowler but he isn’t even close to Tendulkar yet in terms of being the greatest cricketer India has ever produced.

 

[Shri]

think Bumrah was 21st or 23rd anyways behind dudes like Rabada, Cummins and Anderson so its not like op’s statement of “not even top 20” is the big slight it was supposed to be

rabada is a fraud away from home

cummins is shami level away from home

anderson the less said the better

 

[silentstriker]

Are you seriously saying Tendulkar hasn’t won matches for India? Bumrah is a wonderful bowler but he isn’t even close to Tendulkar yet in terms of being the greatest cricketer India has ever produced.

1 win out of 43 away matches won during Tendulkar’s prime. That’s the results.

That’s not his fault. But batting simply does not win matches like fast bowling does. An elite fast bowler is simply much more important in wins than an elite batsman.

Your “VAR” (value over replacement) would be much higher if you replaced an Indian seamer with Bumrah compared to if Tendulkar was replaced with the next best domestic batsman in the 1990s.

 

[Socerer 01]

Batsmen are more important than bowlers, and no

1st point is wrong as shown by multiple teams in test history

2nd point is even more wrong and idk how you can say that with a straight face

 

[Socerer 01]

rabada is a fraud away from home

cummins is shami level away from home

anderson the less said the better

hey im not the one claiming that those poll rankings are the definitive rankings or the most objective ones out there

 

[Coronis]

1 win out of 43 away matches won during Tendulkar’s prime. That’s the results.

That’s not his fault. But batting simply does not win matches like fast bowling does. An elite fast bowler is simply much more important in wins than an elite batsman.

Your “VAR” (value over replacement) would be much higher if you replaced an Indian seamer with Bumrah compared to if Tendulkar was replaced with the next best domestic batsman in the 1990s.

I mean, thats also because Bumrah is further ahead of other Indian pacers than Tendulkar is ahead of other Indian batsmen, which again, is not Tendulkar’s fault.

 

[Coronis]

in any case if this thread is meant to be a pure test only discussion then its pointless since he hasnt played any test in 3 months to change opinions significantly

Every time Bumrah farts near a ball everyone drools.

But seriously you’ll see opinions around here even based on one format be heavily and inordinately affected by the most recent matches, even if they are in a different format. Another good reason to wait until the end of a career before rating them, or at least until they’re far enough in so a single series doesn’t sway it so massively.

 

[Socerer 01]

I mean, thats also because Bumrah is further ahead of other Indian pacers than Tendulkar is ahead of other Indian batsmen, which again, is not Tendulkar’s fault.

there was a dude arguing against this just a few posts ago

 

[Coronis]

think Bumrah was 21st or 23rd anyways behind dudes like Rabada, Cummins and Anderson so its not like op’s statement of “not even top 20” is the big slight it was supposed to be

It wasn’t meant to be a big slight.

 

[Socerer 01]

Every time Bumrah farts near a ball everyone drools.

But seriously you’ll see opinions around here even based on one format be heavily and inordinately affected by the most recent matches, even if they are in a different format. Another good reason to wait until the end of a career before rating them, or at least until they’re far enough in so a single series doesn’t sway it so massively.

and everytime someone mentions a player that played in the 80s y’all drool either not even sure why you’re grumpy about people liking a player

 

[Coronis]

and everytime someone mentions a player that played in the 80s y’all drool either not even sure why you’re grumpy about people liking a player

I’m not really. Just the amount of Bumrah loving coming after his performance in a T20 WC in Test threads is a bit wearing for me.

 

[Socerer 01]

I’m not really. Just the amount of Bumrah loving coming after his performance in a T20 WC in Test threads is a bit wearing for me.

i assumed this wasnt limited to just tests since the thread came about after that final but as i said if its just limited to tests like 90% of discussions here then there is no point to the thread atm

 

[Burgey]

Kohli?

Kohli is tremendous across all formats, so also belongs in the argument. My own view leans very heavily towards tests though, and if I look at his record there it’s outstanding, but arguably no more than a Dravid, Sehwag or Laxman.

I have, however, said in the past I think history will eventually view him as the most important Indian cricketer ever as he kept tests front and centre while captain during the rise of T20s and the IPL, but that too is very much a subjective judgment.

 

[duffer]

I have, however, said in the past I think history will eventually view him as the most important Indian cricketer ever as he kept tests front and centre while captain during the rise of T20s and the IPL, but that too is very much a subjective judgment.

Under him our pace attack came on leaps and bounds too. For all Kohli's shortcomings as captain he was great at leading and managing the quicks.

 

[thierry henry]

I feel like I've been hearing about Bumrah's elite historical status on and off for 3 or 4 years now, which prompts me to revisit his record, and every time it turns out he's still hardly played any games.