Imran Khan vs Keith Miller

[BhupinderSingh]

Despite the fact that they're both statistical replicas of each other,Imran has to be placed just above Miller when comparing them as allrounders.As bowlers,I think its a no contest as Imran is miles ahead of Miller.Imran played just around 68 matches as a bowler & took 5.4 wickets/match while Miller took just 3.0 wickets/match.Imran not only has a much better strike rate but also many times more five fors & 10 wicket hauls.Imran would almost make everyone's top 10 bowlers ever but Miller would struggle to find a plance in top 30 even.As a batsman,Miller was surely better than Imran but difference was not as much as some people here try to make.They had pretty similar batting averages but Miller has one more hundred despite playing 33 less games but I think it was due to the reason that Imran played as just a bowler for 5 years after becoming a regular in the team.Imran has more fifties than Miller though.And Imran Khan's batting is also cricticized for having 25 not outs out of 126 test innings played(1/5th).I think it also goes in Imran's favour as its not like he was a tailender & it was easy for him to achieve that,it rather shows his commitment with batting,ability to saty at the wicket & capability to form useful partnerships with tailenders.

Also,Imran Khan's average of 52 with the bat & 20 with the ball in last 50 tests of his career is the greatest peak of an allrounder ever.Imran also had the burden of captaincy on his shoulders.These are the reason why I think Imran Khan was a better allrounder than Keith Miller.

 

[nightprowler10]

I have always rated Miller just under Imran tbh.

 

[Beleg]

Miller >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Imran

and then some.

 

[nightprowler10]

Miller >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Imran

and then some.

How did I know you were gonna post that?

 

[Beleg]

Because it's a Bhupinder Singh thread?

and because I am me?

 

[nightprowler10]

Because it's a Bhupinder Singh thread?

and because I am me?

Good point.

 

[Engle]

Miller >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Imran

and then some.

How did you arrive at that many ' > ' ?

I sure hope some one does not refute that by typing in a greater number of ' > ' for Imran

 

[Beleg]

Engle,

It's a trade secret.

 

[Ikki]

Miller. The one that was actually more 'all-rounder' and performed more consistantly as both. Figures-wise, they're close with one a bit better at batting and the other a bit better at bowling. If you had asked me this question maybe a couple months ago I would have said Imran, but reading more about Miller has compelled me to consider him the better all-rounder.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Because it's a Bhupinder Singh thread?

Why try to spoil so many of my threads,its because of hatred towards me or Imran Khan?

 

[Bracken]

Imran has more fisties than Miller though.

***LOWBROW ALERT***

I knew the man had a way with the ladies, but damn...

They keep stats for EVERYTHING nowadays.

I think it speaks volumes as to my character that THIS gave me my biggest laugh of the day.

"What do you do on not-so-special occasions? Hit 'em in the head with a f-ing bat?" Ten points for anyone that gets that obscure reference.

 

[Engle]

A good match-up, they are the only 2 AR who avg over 35 with the bat and under 25 with the ball.


Top 3 reasons why Imran > Miller

1. He played against tougher opposition

2. He played for a weaker team

3. He had the greater burden to shoulder

 

[silentstriker]

Miller has one of the best quotes of all time though: "Pressure, I’ll tell you what pressure is. Pressure is a Messerschmidt up your arse, playing cricket is not."

 

[Ikki]

A good match-up, they are the only 2 AR who avg over 35 with the bat and under 25 with the ball.


Top 3 reasons why Imran > Miller

1. He played against tougher opposition

2. He played for a weaker team

3. He had the greater burden to shoulder

Although those are hardly concrete reasons...

1) Miller did better against the best opposition
2) Pakistan were not a weak team
3) Hardly matters, otherwise the great Aussie or Windies players would never compare well.

 

[Ikki]

One thing I think stands out for Imran though is his Captaincy, his leadership.

 

[Sanz]

2) Pakistan were not a weak team
3) Hardly matters, otherwise the great Aussie or Windies players would never compare well.

Yeah I have never been able to figure out how Imran was part of a weaker team esp when he had guys like Miandad, Zaheer, Sarfaraz, Qadir, Akram, Malik and above all he himself.

Also I dont know what burden he is talkinag about, was he(Imran) also working as Gardener for PCB or what ?

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Yeah I have never been able to figure out how Imran was part of a weaker team esp when he had guys like Miandad, Zaheer, Sarfaraz, Qadir, Akram, Malik and above all he himself.

Also I dont know what burden he is talkinag about, was he(Imran) also working as Gardener for PCB or what ?

Burden of captaincy & also Imran was the only quality bowler Pakistan had after the reirement of Fazal Mahmood until Wasim Akram came along,Sarfaraz Nawaz,Iqbal Qasim,Abdul Qadir etc were mediocore bowlers.

 

[Richard]

Miller for mine.

No question Miller was the better batsman to me, and while Imran was almost certainly a better bowler it couldn't have been by a hell of a lot.

 

[Sanz]

Burden of captaincy & also Imran was the only quality bowler Pakistan had after the reirement of Fazal Mahmood until Wasim Akram came along,Sarfaraz Nawaz,Iqbal Qasim,Abdul Qadir etc were mediocore bowlers.

Some people enjoy captaincy and excel in that role, Imran was one of them. His cricketing acumen grew by leaps and bounds and it can hardly be called a Burden. He flourished as a cricketer after getting the captaincy. Wasim Played in close to 40 tests under Imran out of 48.

And Sarfaraz, Qadir, Qasim etc were not mediocre bowlers defiantely not in Pakistan.

 

[Beleg]

Bhupinder Sahab,

I hate neither you nor yer idol.

You can definitely come up with better arguements though.