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Imran Khan vs Allan Donald

Who is the better test bowler?


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kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Um underperforming against a random mid tier opponent is more forgivable and can be written off as a outlier than against top quality teams.

You make it sound like he had some insurmountable task. Both Ambrose and Wasim performed against Aus. He was below par.
Imran under performed in every non minnow country except for England and was good in the WI.

He averaged under 24 in only 2 countries, SL and England if we exclude his first tour.

27 in Australia (if we exclude his last tour)
28 in India

25 in the Caribbean.


So no, wasn't against one random mid tier country.
 

akilana

State Captain
Imran under performed in every non minnow country except for England and was good in the WI.

He averaged under 24 in only 2 countries, SL and England if we exclude his first tour.

27 in Australia (if we exclude his last tour)
28 in India

25 in the Caribbean.


So no, wasn't against one random mid tier country.
That’s where you’re making the mistake. You have to see them in context.
 
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subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Imran under performed in every non minnow country except for England and was good in the WI.

He averaged under 24 in only 2 countries, SL and England if we exclude his first tour.

27 in Australia (if we exclude his last tour)
28 in India

25 in the Caribbean.


So no, wasn't against one random mid tier country.
Dude I wasn't even talking about Imran in this post.

But stop this mindless average reading approach. Against Aus Imran took 41 wickets in 8 tests@27 (66 wickets @24 if we include WSC which we should).

Against WI it was 48 wickets in 6 tests@25.

The idea he didn't perform against either is ludicrous.
 
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kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
C'mon, he has 6 WPM and a stupid low SR, 3 fifers and 1 tenfer, he definitely didn't underperform against them considering the batting.
Yes the 10fer, and yes, against that batting lineup.

This exact same scenario comes up when we're discussing Barnes and SA. Just became they were decent, or in this instance great a few years before, doesn't mean it was at this point I'm time.

The names in that batting line up in '88

Phil Simmons
Carl Hooper
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There was of course a full mid decline Greenidge and Viv missed that match.

Our batting in that tour, and most specially that match was ordinary. So if the average is mitigated based on the strength of the batting, that's not the argument here.

And even at their peak, the strength of said team was the bowling, not the batting, especially post "84, or let be generous '86?

And again, if there was a bowler in history who averaged 6 wpm but with an average of 25, are they in the ATG conversation?

For some reason with Imran, all the excuses comes out.

We have the take away from the beginning and ending of his career, we ignore the ridiculous gap between his home and away performances, pretending that his home record is legitimate. And pay no attention to the fact that his away record is well below ATG standards.

It's claimed, admittedly only by a few, that Imran was top tier and Donald wasn't, yet this is all but tied. Record wise Imran is very much in this grouping that includes these two, Lillee, Holding, Wasim, Trueman, Garner.etc etc.

And all ATG bowlers had great series, it's the consistency across careers that makes them special.

ATG top 10 bowler yes, but him and Donald are very arguable.

And to dismiss Donald's overseas performances, as Subz has done as pretty averages is just ridiculous.

Donald wins in ever statistical category here, and was actually ATG away.
 

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
Yes the 10fer, and yes, against that batting lineup.

This exact same scenario comes up when we're discussing Barnes and SA. Just became they were decent, or in this instance great a few years before, doesn't mean it was at this point I'm time.

The names in that batting line up in '88

Phil Simmons
Carl Hooper
Gus Logie

There was of course a full mid decline Greenidge and Viv missed that match.

Our batting in that tour, and most specially that match was ordinary. So if the average is mitigated based on the strength of the batting, that's not the argument here.

And even at their peak, the strength of said team was the bowling, not the batting, especially post "84, or let be generous '86?

And again, if there was a bowler in history who averaged 6 wpm but with an average of 25, are they in the ATG conversation?

For some reason with Imran, all the excuses comes out.

We have the take away from the beginning and ending of his career, we ignore the ridiculous gap between his home and away performances, pretending that his home record is legitimate. And pay no attention to the fact that his away record is well below ATG standards.

It's claimed, admittedly only by a few, that Imran was top tier and Donald wasn't, yet this is all but tied. Record wise Imran is very much in this grouping that includes these two, Lillee, Holding, Wasim, Trueman, Garner.etc etc.

And all ATG bowlers had great series, it's the consistency across careers that makes them special.

ATG top 10 bowler yes, but him and Donald are very arguable.

And to dismiss Donald's overseas performances, as Subz has done as pretty averages is just ridiculous.

Donald wins in ever statistical category here, and was actually ATG away.
I mean Warne averages 25 with 5 wpm and he’s in the ATG conversation.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yes the 10fer, and yes, against that batting lineup.

This exact same scenario comes up when we're discussing Barnes and SA. Just became they were decent, or in this instance great a few years before, doesn't mean it was at this point I'm time.

The names in that batting line up in '88

Phil Simmons
Carl Hooper
Gus Logie

There was of course a full mid decline Greenidge and Viv missed that match.

Our batting in that tour, and most specially that match was ordinary. So if the average is mitigated based on the strength of the batting, that's not the argument here.
The level of BS excuses here is stunning.

Viv missed a game Imran took a tenfer but Imran took 9 wickets the next game Viv was in.

You forget to mention Richie Richardson and Haynes. It was objectively a strong WI batting lineup.

And then saying because it was bad form, Imran's bowling doesn't count?
 

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