Ian Botham vs Dennis Lillee

[Johan]

Better Cricketer overall?

 

[Thala_0710]

Lillee

 

[Johan]

as is tradition by this point...

 

[subshakerz]

Lillee based on performance against WI and being the best bowler of the 70s.

 

[Johan]

personally voted Botham, very big match winner.

 

[sayon basak]

personally voted Botham, very big match winner.

Lillee is arguably a top 10 bowler, No way Botham is better with that disastrous 2nd half.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I prefer most ATG batsmen & bowlers over Botham and Kapil

 

[Johan]

Lillee is arguably a top 10 bowler, No way Botham is better with that disastrous 2nd half.

last 15 tests really, after the rib injury in Australia in 86 that was that for him, though, I think I put great value in all rounders.

 

[subshakerz]

personally voted Botham, very big match winner.

I think Lillee is likely nearly as a good as Hadlee McGrath except not enough opportunities away.

 

[Johan]

I think Lillee is likely nearly as a good as Hadlee McGrath except not enough opportunities away.

Think I'd disagree with that.

 

[subshakerz]

Think I'd disagree with that.

Why? What did Lillee lack skillwise to not warrant that comparison?

Hadlee himself took Lillee as his skill standard.

 

[Thala_0710]

I prefer most ATG batsmen & bowlers over Botham and Kapil

Agree

 

[sayon basak]

Why? What did Lillee lack skillwise to not warrant that comparison?

Hadlee himself took Lillee as his skill standard.

Skillwise, he's better than McGrath.

A tearaway at the begining of his career, then reduced his pace and turned into a craftsman. Could swing and seam the bowl both ways, had cutters in his armory; very similar to Hadlee.

 

[subshakerz]

Skillwise, he's better than McGrath.

A tearaway at the begining of his career, then reduced his pacet and turned into a craftman. Could swing and seam the bowl both ways, had cutters in his armory; very similar to Hadlee.

Yeah folks here underrate him honestly.

 

[BazBall21]

Yeah folks here underrate him honestly.

Agree.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Skillwise, he's better than McGrath.

A tearaway at the begining of his career, then reduced his pace and turned into a craftsman. Could swing and seam the bowl both ways, had cutters in his armory; very similar to Hadlee.

He had the skills not the returns. Remember:

It's perpetually hilarious how Lillee flunks both analysis by checklist and standardised averages.

 

[sayon basak]

He had the skills.

That's what Subz said. Nothing about the returns here.

 

[capt_Luffy]

That's what Subz said. Nothing about the returns here.

Yeah. I just don't think having the skills means much without the returns.

 

[sayon basak]

Yeah. I just don't think having the skills means much without the returns.

Yeah, go suck a jellyfish.

 

[BazBall21]

The only weakness in Lillee's record is the lack of surface credentials in the subcontinent. He was unfortunate to never tour India. I have no doubt he would have done well with a sufficient amount of opportunities.