How come English can't bat?

[aussie tragic]

The last English batsman to average > 50.00 over their career was Barrington, who played his last test in 1968.

Why do English struggle to find players that can average 50 while other countries have several in the same team (e.g Dravid, Sewag & Tendulkar; Hayden, Ponting & Hussey; Inzy & Yousuf, Kallis & Smith)......

 

[PY]

One answer is England have been/are rubbish in the period you talk of.

One of my reasons is the nature of English pitches and assistance for bowlers.

 

[silentstriker]

One answer is England have been/are rubbish in the period you talk of.

One of my reasons is the nature of English pitches and assistance for bowlers.

So how many English bowlers have averaged >25 with the ball in that period?

 

[PY]

The first part answers that question.

 

[aussie tragic]

One of my reasons is the nature of English pitches and assistance for bowlers.

Then how come Aussie bits n pieces players like Cameron White, Ian Harvey and Andy Bichel can come to England and all of a sudden become leading batsmen in county cricket? Also, Hussey and Lehman were almost Bradmanesque in England and yet couldn't get into the Aussie test side?

 

[nightprowler10]

KP has got a golden run going. He might end with an average of >50 if he can work out a few kinks in his batting.

 

[aussie tragic]

KP has got a golden run going. He might end with an average of >50 if he can work out a few kinks in his batting.

I don't think he'll end his career in the 50's but anyway, he's South African not English

 

[PY]

The how come Aussie bits n pieces players like Cameron White, Ian Harvey and Andy Bichel can come to England and all of a sudden become leading batsmen in county cricket? Also, Hussey and Lehman were almost Bradmanesque in England and yet couldn't get into the Aussie test side?

I'm talking about other teams with far superior bowlers coming here and destroying English batsmen averages. Example being the WI domination. Courtney and Curtley managed 175 wickets in England at an average between 20-24, and in 2000 took 51 wickets at an average of about 14. Yes England were crap but that series was notoriously low-scoring.

County references are irrelevant as you won't find a sober/sane person saying that the CC is of the highest quality.

 

[aussie tragic]

I'm talking about other teams with far superior bowlers coming here and destroying English batsmen averages. Example being the WI domination.

For almost 50 years......as before Barrington there was only Compton who retired in 1957 and Hutton in 1955?

 

[PY]

For almost 50 years as before Barrington there was only Compton who retired in 1957 and Hutton in 1955?

Guess you just want me to say England are crap?

 

[aussie tragic]

Guess you just want me to say England are crap?

No, I really wonder why so many English players average in the 30's and low 40's, however I'll take "the English are crap"

 

[Kweek]

aah well, atleast England got the ashes.

 

[Pratters]

No, I really wonder why so many English players average in the 30's and low 40's, however I'll take "the English are crap"

Maybe they give too much importance on technique and don't let players just be themselves during age groups etc.

 

[TT Boy]

aah well, atleast England got the ashes.

Won't have them come New Year.

 

[Dravid]

Would love to see a ODI match between England and USA. Would be a tight contest.

 

[Kweek]

England U12 - USA would be a tight contest

 

[Dravid]

England U12 - USA would be a tight contest

USA actually has some good players now. They got rid of all the 40 yr olds.

 

[aussie tragic]

So how many English bowlers have averaged >25 with the ball in that period?

No English bowler has had a career average of < 25 since Statham and Truman retired in 1965. So it appears they can't bat or bowl

Edit: Bob Willis was close as he averaged 25.20

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Then how come Aussie bits n pieces players like Cameron White, Ian Harvey and Andy Bichel can come to England and all of a sudden become leading batsmen in county cricket? Also, Hussey and Lehman were almost Bradmanesque in England and yet couldn't get into the Aussie test side?

It could be that by the time the Australian journeymen reach County Cricket they've already harnessed their technique on better pitches and are able to treat the poor standard of bowling with contempt. I think some of the current England players would be capable of being just as prolific in County Cricket if they were allowed to play.
In our entire history England have had few genuinely great batsman which you would call really special like a Richards, Lara, Tendulkar, Chappell or Pollock.

 

[aussie tragic]

In our entire history England have had few genuinely great batsman which you would call really special like a Richards, Lara, Tendulkar, Chappell or Pollock.

I think you're being a bit harsh on Hammond, Barrington, Hutton, Sutcliffe, Hobbs & Compton....