Greatest All-rounder- Prelim Poll 1: Choose FOUR all-rounders

[bagapath]

Main Thread

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/41988-greatest-all-rounder-all-time.html

The following cricketers have taken 4 or more wickets in an innings at least 5 times. Their bowling average is < 35. Post WW2 cricketers in the list have taken at least 100 wickets.

They have scored 50 or more on at least five occasions. and average > 30 with the bat. Post WW2 cricketers have scored more than 1000 runs.

And their bowling avg is not more than two points above batting avg.

Please select FOUR players from this pool.

GA Faulkner (SA) 	25 	1754 	204 	40.79 	4 	82 	7/84 	26.58 	4 	20 	0 
WA Armstrong (Aus)	50 	2863 	159* 	38.68 	6 	87 	6/35 	33.59 	3 	44 	0 
Imran Khan (Pak) 	88 	3807 	136 	37.69 	6 	362 	8/58 	22.81 	23 	28 	0 
KR Miller (Aus) 	55 	2958 	147 	36.97 	7 	170 	7/60 	22.97 	7 	38 	0 
JM Gregory (Aus) 	24 	1146 	119 	36.96 	2 	85 	7/69 	31.15 	4 	37 	0 
FE Woolley (Eng) 	64 	3283 	154 	36.07 	5 	83 	7/76 	33.91 	4 	64 	0 
TL Goddard (SA) 	41 	2516 	112 	34.46 	1 	123 	6/53 	26.22 	5 	48 	0 
IT Botham (Eng) 	102 	5200 	208 	33.54 	14 	383 	8/34 	28.40 	27 	120 	0 
CL Cairns (NZ) 	 62 	3320 	158 	33.53 	5 	218 	7/27 	29.40 	13 	14 	0 
SM Pollock (SA) 	108 	3781 	111 	32.31 	2 	421 	7/87 	23.11 	16 	72 	0 
A Flintoff (Eng/ICC) 	78 	3816 	167 	32.06 	5 	225 	5/58 	32.59 	3 	51 	0 
IK Pathan (India) 	29 	1105 	102 	31.57 	1 	100 	7/59 	32.26 	7 	8 	0 
MH Mankad (India) 	44 	2109 	231 	31.47 	5 	162 	8/52 	32.32 	8 	33 	0 
N Kapil Dev (India) 	131 	5248 	163 	31.05 	8 	434 	9/83 	29.64 	23 	64 	0 
MA Noble (Aus) 	 42 	1997 	133 	30.25 	1 	121 	7/17 	25.00 	9 	26 	0 
W Rhodes (Eng) 	 58 	2325 	179 	30.19 	2 	127 	8/68 	26.96 	6

 

[bagapath]

I have voted for faulkner, imran, miller and botham. feel bad to not be able to vote for kapil. but am confident these four were the best of their ilk.

 

[Athlai]

Hadlee?

 

[bagapath]

Hadlee?

bowling all rounder. will be featured in the next prelim poll.

 

[Athlai]

Hard to keep Hadlee out if you include Pollock IMO

 

[bagapath]

Hard to keep Hadlee out if you include Pollock IMO

was sticking to a 30+ batting average and a < 35 bowling average for this. the poll options become too many if i dont divide the prelim polls. the final poll will feature the top four from here and the top two from the other poll. see the main thread for the other names.

 

[Jamee999]

Imran
Miller
Kapil
Polly

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Faulkner
Imran
Botham
Miller

 

[The Sean]

Went Imran, Miller, Botham and Kapil Dev - tempted to give a vote to Noble and/or Woolley because I hate seeing both of them on zero.

 

[Fusion]

Went Imran, Miller, Botham and Kapil Dev - tempted to give a vote to Noble and/or Woolley because I hate seeing both of them on zero.

Excellent choices! Went with the same.

 

[marc71178]

Hard to keep Hadlee out if you include Pollock IMO

Hard to take any all-rounder poll where Pathan is included seriously IMO.

 

[Fusion]

Hard to take any all-rounder poll where Pathan is included seriously IMO.

Bagapath listed everyone that met the criteria. He's not asking you to consider him seriously over the other candidates.

 

[marc71178]

Suggests that the criteria are a tad over-simplifying things then.

 

[SJS]

Went Imran, Miller, Botham and Kapil Dev - tempted to give a vote to Noble and/or Woolley because I hate seeing both of them on zero.

I chose Faulkner over Kapil from your four. I almost went for Noble instead of Faulkner. I am disappointed I did not give Kapil more consideration than I did even if I did not finally chose him. On second thoughts I should have chosen Kapil too.

 

[bagapath]

Suggests that the criteria are a tad over-simplifying things then.

pathan is in because we are using stats against all nations. minus minnows, he wont be there. since he alone seems to be the odd one out, i decided not to tamper with the criteria too much and left him in. his numbers are not very different from mankad's, who is definitely one of the best all-rounders of all time. so it didnt seem to be that big a crime to leave pathan in. usually, i dont have the "funny" last option in my polls. treat him as that and choose four other guys.

 

[Migara]

Althoug he has not got 5 wickets 4 times (he go 2 times), Asif Iqbal, with a batting average of 38.9 and bowling average of 28.3 certainly has a shout.

 

[Migara]

And this man too.

Batting avrage 39, bowling average 29, 5W/i - 3

 

[bagapath]

mushtaq and asif did not take 100 wickets. the list of similar post war batting allrounders who did not make the cut is endless - jayasuriya, s.waugh (both took 90+ wickets), walters, dexter etc. you would notice that even hammond from the pre war pool of players is not on the list because he didnt take enough 4 wicket hauls.

 

[bagapath]

Althoug he has not got 5 wickets 4 times

centuries and five wicket hauls are very big deeds. we are looking for 4 wicket hauls and 50s. not five-fers and hundreds. (the only cricketer who has taken 10 five wicket hauls and also scored 10 centuries is ian botham.)

 

[bagapath]

kapil is now level with faulkner for the last place. imran, botham and miller are going to make it for sure.