Glen McGrath vs Sydney Barnes

[DrWolverine]

Test bowler

 

[Johan]

McGrath is the better bowler barely. Barnes is the greater bowler barely.

You should've made Barnes vs Ambrose, there I'd freely say Barnes was both better and greater.

 

[DrWolverine]

This is like the bowling version of Hobbs vs Sachin

 

[Johan]

Nah, Hobbs is outscoring Tendulkar under most contexts if they play together, I think McGrath would be a little ahead of Barnes if they play together.

 

[DrWolverine]

There is no way to know what will actually happen

 

[Johan]

Yeah but we can always make educated guesses IE Sunil Gavaskar will outscore Geoffrey Boycott in a direct competition over a career.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Barnes probably. Nothing much to separate.

 

[Coronis]

There is no way to know what will actually happen

Transport Barnes and McGrath to the modern era, I know exactly what happens. McGrath has better numbers than Bumrah, Australia have won the past few Ashes in England as well as Australia. They suffocate India’s batting in India. India forced to create even ranker turnerers. Barnes never plays a test for England. He exclusively plays in T20 leagues. Consistently topping average, SR, economy and total wickets list. Highest paid player. Viewed as “enigmatic”. Plays T20I and ODI world cups.

 

[Johan]

I forgot to take their personalities into account.

 

[kyear2]

McGrath.

Faced tougher competition and conditions.

 

[subshakerz]

Barnes could have been a chucker for all we know.

 

[Johan]

Barnes could have been a chucker for all we know.

What the ****

 

[Coronis]

What the ****

MacLaren would’ve certainly chucked him off a ship.

 

[subshakerz]

What the ****

Calm down bro that post was clearly meant to get a rise out of you lol.

 

[Johan]

Calm down bro that post was clearly meant to get a rise out of you lol.

well you were successful.

 

[Johan]

MacLaren would’ve certainly chucked him off a ship.

tbh he'd have done it if he could anyway

 

[subshakerz]

In all seriousness you don't get to beat McGrath without a much bigger career sample even keeping era in mind.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Transport Barnes and McGrath to the modern era, I know exactly what happens. McGrath has better numbers than Bumrah, Australia have won the past few Ashes in England as well as Australia. They suffocate India’s batting in India. India forced to create even ranker turnerers. Barnes never plays a test for England. He exclusively plays in T20 leagues. Consistently topping average, SR, economy and total wickets list. Highest paid player. Viewed as “enigmatic”. Plays T20I and ODI world cups.

Probably true. But what if both played say in earlier pre T20s era? Who is the world’s best bowler? Barnes or McGrath? I would bet on Barnes. Even if both of these guys finish with similar stats which is probably most likely, I would bet Barnes would have lot higher peer rating which I think would give him the edge.

 

[Migara]

Probably true. But what if both played say in earlier pre T20s era? Who is the world’s best bowler? Barnes or McGrath? I would bet on Barnes. Even if both of these guys finish with similar stats which is probably most likely, I would bet Barnes would have lot higher peer rating which I think would give him the edge.

Barnes' averages adjusted to the global batting average is more or less similar to McGrath's. And McGrath didn't feast on minnows, and even if he did, there was no one as meh as South African teams that Barnes bowled to.

 

[Johan]

Barnes' averages adjusted to the global batting average is more or less similar to McGrath's. And McGrath didn't feast on minnows, and even if he did, there was no one as meh as South African teams that Barnes bowled to.

You mean the South African teams that beat England in two serieses and were competitive in Australia? the same side that would've won the last two tests of Barnes's South Africa tour had Barnes not been there?