Gilchrist vs Keith Miller - Greater Cricketer

[subshakerz]

Two different sorts of all-rounders.

 

[kyear2]

Gilly

 

[kyear2]

To get more into the weeds.

Gilly was a better batsman and would suggest as good a keeper as Miller was a bowler, if not better. Add in being the catalysts of one of the two best teams ever and a lock for the all time team.

Pretty straight forward.

 

[subshakerz]

To get more into the weeds.

Gilly was a better batsman and would suggest as good a keeper as Miller was a bowler, if not better. Add in being the catalysts of one of the two best teams ever and a lick for the all time team.

Pretty straight forward.

Interesting. I thought you would have the opposite view.

 

[Coronis]

Interesting. I thought you would have the opposite view.

Well keeping is like slip fielding but even more important and we know how much kyear loves slips fielders.

 

[BazBall21]

To get more into the weeds.

Gilly was a better batsman and would suggest as good a keeper as Miller was a bowler, if not better. Add in being the catalysts of one of the two best teams ever and a lick for the all time team.

Pretty straight forward.

I think Miller's bowling is more valuable than Gilchrist's keeping though. Definitely easier to find a Gilchrist-standard gloveman than a Miller-standard bowler.

 

[kyear2]

Well keeping is like slip fielding but even more important and we know how much kyear loves slips fielders.

I think slip fielding is actually more difficult than keeping. Easier to keep concentration as a keeper and way more catches are regulation.

Well at least to pace, spin is a whole different proposition.

But yeah, having a great cordon is just as important as keeping.

 

[Prince EWS]

Interesting. I thought you would have the opposite view.

@TheJediBrah

 

[Son Of Coco]

Two different sorts of all-rounders.

An all-rounder and a wicketkeeper batsman.

 

[TheJediBrah]

To get more into the weeds.

Gilly was a better batsman and would suggest as good a keeper as Miller was a bowler, if not better. Add in being the catalysts of one of the two best teams ever and a lock for the all time team.

Pretty straight forward.

Come on that's not true (actually the opposite @Prince EWS )

There have been about a dozen or so bowlers better than Miller ever, and while Gilchrist was an excellent gloveman there have surely been many, many (hundreds even) keepers better than him. Even just thinking of all the specialist keepers that never got close to international cricket but were superior to Gilchrist. Even if you don't rate Millers bowling as his average would suggest because he didn't bowl as much as most ATG bowlers it's still relatively better than his counterparts by more than Gilchrist's keeping is

Gilchrist is still the better player though. Probably the 2nd picked in an ATG XI after Bradman

Now i'm leaving this subforum forever

 

[kyear2]

Come on that's not true (actually the opposite @Prince EWS )

There have been about a dozen or so bowlers better than Miller ever, and while Gilchrist was an excellent gloveman there have surely been many, many (hundreds even) keepers better than him. Even just thinking of all the specialist keepers that never got close to international cricket but were superior to Gilchrist. Even if you don't rate Millers bowling as his average would suggest because he didn't bowl as much as most ATG bowlers it's still relatively better than his counterparts by more than Gilchrist's keeping is

Gilchrist is still the better player though. Probably the 2nd picked in an ATG XI after Bradman

Now i'm leaving this subforum forever

I can respect that perspective if we're looking at rankings, but I was more looking at quality.

I could name 20 bowlers better than Miller, and yes, God knows how many test keepers ahead of Gilchrist. Though as someone who values longevity, that would eliminate quite a bit of the competition for you, I would imagine

But looking at it from a quality perspective, it's not that far apart. Miller was a really good no. 2, a borderline ATG bowler, but Gilchrist was also a top notch keeper, and while not quite of the quality of a Healy, I would would suggest that he too was a borderline, if not ATG keeper.

Oh, and possibly 4th name after Bradman, Sobers, Marshall .

 

[subshakerz]

To Kyear2s point, Gilchrist is probably the only one who is worldclass in both keeping and batting at the same time.

 

[subshakerz]

Gotta say this poll result is shocking. Expected more Gilly support.

 

[ma1978]

Keith Miller industrial complex

overrating of people who played in black and white

overrating all rounders

gilly is a top 5 all time cricketer

 

[kyear2]

To Kyear2s point, Gilchrist is probably the only one who is worldclass in both keeping and batting at the same time.

Over the past couple of months, watching videos of Murali and Jarawardene, M (catching), I was surprisingly reminded of how ****ing amazing Sangakkara was with the gloves, especially to spin. No he wasn't as great as Jayawardene, P, but he was really good.

I know it's almost locked in with Gilly for the spot, but especially if you're selecting Murali, there's a more than decent argument for Sangakkara for the keeper spot.

 

[BazBall21]

To Kyear2s point, Gilchrist is probably the only one who is worldclass in both keeping and batting at the same time.

Very few genuinely world class batsmen who kept wicket. And one of the few other examples, Flower, wasn't a great keeper of course.

 

[kyear2]

I think Miller really is an example of our all rounder fascination. Forget great, he wasn't a legitimate world class batsman and he wasn't a legit no. 1 fast bowler.

Gilly was a world class batsman and a world class keeper. He also brought that xfactor at 7 when he would tear attacks apart and set up victories in minimal time. Hard to beat that combination imo.

 

[shortpitched713]

I think Miller is a more rare talent for an all-rounder. Which is saying something, when we're talking about arguably the greatest WK batsman across all formats, of all-time.

 

[kyear2]

I think Miller is a more rare talent for an all-rounder. Which is saying something, when we're talking about arguably the greatest WK batsman across all formats, of all-time.

Rare from what perspective. There's only one Gilly, there were a couple fast bowling all rounders.

 

[Jumno]

Gilly.

World class batsman. Could take the game away. At number seven, opposition still could not sit easy.

Excellent keeper.