Getting rid of the toss

[philthetube]

I was watching the England game this afternoon and listening to the comments about the toss and the advantage winning it gives. I have an idea to level the playing field.

I, instead of toss the two captains come out with a note of what advantage they would be prepared to give the opposition if they get what they want it would solve this, to give an example using todays India England Match.

If Kohli was prepared to give England a start of 15 runs for England to bat first but Morgan was prepared to give India a start of 20 if India batted first then India would bat first with a 20 start., taking a big chunk of luck out of the game. If one team wanted to bat and one bowl then they could get on with it, no problem and if both teams bid the same then there could be a toss with the winning team deciding, but this should still not be the huge advantage that winning the toss currently is

Hope this interests/intrigues you, I would love to know what others think

 

[Shady Slim]

i’m a bit less sympathetic than most i think to the anti toss gang

i am much more “have players that can perform in away conditions to substantially ameliorate the different conditions” gang, and while there is an advantage to say, india winning the toss and getting to bat first on a pitch that’ll deteriorate to heck, perhaps try to outbat the indians in the first dig then, or if not, roll them for naught in their second; there’s ways to neuter the advantage of the toss and i think a good deal of toss advantage can be explained by how teams are ass when not in their home conditions

 

[Lillian Thomson]

The OP seems to be going by today’s T20. Surely it must be possible to produce a completely flat batting wicket that doesn’t change in the course of 40 overs in any conditions.
The idea of the captains negotiating run deficits is nonsense.

 

[philthetube]

the fact that all games played so far in the PSL suggests that something needs doing, win the toss, win the game does not make for good viewing.

A flat batting wicket which does not preform differently with dew falling would be an amazing achievement, especially as spinners cannot perform as well with a wet ball.

 

[TheJediBrah]

If the away team loses the toss make it best 2 out of 3

 

[honestbharani]

MSD felt we should start later when playing night T20s in India so that both teams are equally disadvantaged by dew. Not a bad line of thought that, since starting at say, 5 PM, will not help anyone, given team batting second may still have to deal with dew.

 

[cnerd123]

Chasing is easier than setting a target too - you always know how much you need and can adapt, whereas when setting a target you can end up going too defensive/aggressive and making a hash of it.

I like the idea of the visiting side getting to pick what to do at the toss, to negate the home-pitch advantage.

 

[Naheed]

Chasing is easier than setting a target too - you always know how much you need and can adapt, whereas when setting a target you can end up going too defensive/aggressive and making a hash of it.

I like the idea of the visiting side getting to pick what to do at the toss, to negate the home-pitch advantage.

Yes, you are right that chasing might be easy than setting a target. In ODI format, if wickets are lost
earlier then chasing is a bit difficult but in t20 even gone for early wickets, the lost momentum can
be regained. Moreover, in Test cricket, it is hard to chase big targets instead of batting first.

 

[Shady Slim]

Chasing is easier than setting a target too - you always know how much you need and can adapt, whereas when setting a target you can end up going too defensive/aggressive and making a hash of it.

I like the idea of the visiting side getting to pick what to do at the toss, to negate the home-pitch advantage.

feel this would just lead to even more pitch homogeneity though, which objectively is the worst thing in cricket rn (given we now have a Strong West Indies)

we already have a shed load of pitch homogeneity in the short forms and i wouldn’t like any move that would buttress it

 

[TheJediBrah]

Chasing is easier than setting a target too - you always know how much you need and can adapt, whereas when setting a target you can end up going too defensive/aggressive and making a hash of it.

This is very simple logic but it is not always the case at all. Batting first can be a huge advantage even in 50 over cricket for a variety of reasons

 

[Chrish]

Only ATG sides like WI 80s or Aus 2000 completely took the toss out of the equation.

All other sides are impacted certain degree by the toss. Winning toss always gives you an advantage.

 

[TheJediBrah]

A lot of the time in limited overs cricket the toss can not really matter tbh. On rare occasions losing the toss can even give you an advantage, if the guy that wins makes the wrong choice haha. I know one guy who chose to bowl first in a 45 over game because the pitch was a bit of unknown, going in with the "at least we know what we have to chase" logic, then the pitch deteriorated extremely unexpectedly and batting second was nearly impossible. He's never chosen to bowl first since.

Talking generally here, not just in India where the dew factor can take control

 

[sunilz]

A lot of the time in limited overs cricket the toss can not really matter tbh. On rare occasions losing the toss can even give you an advantage, if the guy that wins makes the wrong choice haha. I know one guy who chose to bowl first in a 45 over game because the pitch was a bit of unknown, going in with the "at least we know what we have to chase" logic, then the pitch deteriorated extremely unexpectedly and batting second was nearly impossible. He's never chosen to bowl first since.

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Ponting Edgbaston 2005
Paine Oval 2019

 

[GoodAreasShane]

There are plenty enough dumb nationalistic shitfights around here as it is, no need to start another one. Terrible posting

 

[sunilz]

There are plenty enough dumb nationalistic ****fights around here as it is, no need to start another one. Terrible posting

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I was simply giving famous examples when Captain made a wrong decision on winning the toss.
I wanted to give Hussain example too, but I don't think it would have made a difference to the result because how strong that Australian team was.
There was nothing nationalistic in my post. Don't get triggered so easily .

 

[TheJediBrah]

There are plenty enough dumb nationalistic ****fights around here as it is, no need to start another one. Terrible posting

Starc should be dropped

 

[GoodAreasShane]

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I was simply giving famous examples when Captain made a wrong decision on winning the toss.
I wanted to give Hussain example too, but I don't think it would have made a difference to the result because how strong that Australian team was.
There was nothing nationalistic in my post. Don't get triggered so easily .

The post wasn't actually in any way related to anything TJB actually said, it was at best a needless tangent. Including Hussain would have made no difference on that front

Although it is TJB, so not actually reading his posts is understandable

 

[Burgey]

I thought weldone & Penile Dysentery had already left?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Instead of the toss the 2 captains should play "paper, scissors, rock". That would be far more exciting and another cricket stat to check.

 

[WICFan]

Pick the two slowest players and have a "race of the slow coaches" like Mark Richardson used to.