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Geoffrey Boycott v Clive Lloyd
- Thread starter BazBall21
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BazBall21
International Captain
Two titans from the 60s, 70s and 80s.
Johan
International Captain
shortpitched713
International Captain
Lloyd much better due to captaincy.
If batting only, then could be more interesting.
If batting only, then could be more interesting.
BazBall21
International Captain
This is batting only.
kyear2
International Coach
Batting only, but even if it wasn't.
Lloyd wasn't a great tactical captain and again I value his catching and fielding more for his teams.
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kyear2
International Coach
Not a sun of the sub 40 s/r club.
Coronis
International Coach
Don’t rate Rabada?
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here and go for Boycott.
Firstly, opening is a far tougher spot to bat as compared to a No. 5/6. That makes this whole comparison quite weird.
Secondly, Boycott's away record was simply, incredible. You can even go on to say that it was better than Gavaskar (it was, IMO). No opener made as many runs in Australia as Boycott when Lillee-Thomson-Alderman played. He also had a brilliant record against the quartet. The only blemish in his career was his lack of runs in New Zealand when Hadlee played. But then again, only Greenidge scored any runs in NZ as an opener when Hadlee played.
Lloyd was like an outlier batter who was dynamic lower down the order. Also, a brilliant player on sluggish wickets. But he clearly struggled when he played against Hadlee and Imran.
The period where these 2 played, was the era of some of the greatest new ball bowlers of all time (Imran, Hadlee, Lillee, Holding, Roberts, Snow). While on the other side most teams struggled with having bad spinners and non-new ball bowlers except England and India, till the reverse swing period.
Firstly, opening is a far tougher spot to bat as compared to a No. 5/6. That makes this whole comparison quite weird.
Secondly, Boycott's away record was simply, incredible. You can even go on to say that it was better than Gavaskar (it was, IMO). No opener made as many runs in Australia as Boycott when Lillee-Thomson-Alderman played. He also had a brilliant record against the quartet. The only blemish in his career was his lack of runs in New Zealand when Hadlee played. But then again, only Greenidge scored any runs in NZ as an opener when Hadlee played.
Lloyd was like an outlier batter who was dynamic lower down the order. Also, a brilliant player on sluggish wickets. But he clearly struggled when he played against Hadlee and Imran.
The period where these 2 played, was the era of some of the greatest new ball bowlers of all time (Imran, Hadlee, Lillee, Holding, Roberts, Snow). While on the other side most teams struggled with having bad spinners and non-new ball bowlers except England and India, till the reverse swing period.
Johan
International Captain
Interesting, how far do you think Sunny G is from Geoffrey Boycott in batting?
BazBall21
International Captain
I have become a bigger believer in top 3 batsmen facing a large disadvantage; especially outside the subcontinent.
It's hard for me to evaluate that. I've never seen Boycott bat live, but the fact that he was called out for batting way too slow multiple times by his own team mates (I remember Botham saying that his team mates used to run him out) makes me think about how much impact his runs actually had.
Add to that, England definitely had a superior batting lineup as compared to India. Gower, Amiss, Gooch, Edrich were all good batters.
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BazBall21
International Captain
I think the major point of difference between Gavaskar&Boycott is Gavaskar's flexibility allowing him a superior run threshold per innings. Better chance of scoring hundreds and big hundreds.
I don't necessarily think Gavaskar was a better player in tough conditions.
I don't necessarily think Gavaskar was a better player in tough conditions.
Johan
International Captain
Yeah.
You add that in with Gavaskar's sheer skill at just never getting out whenever the conditions suited him as well as extra gears and that's where most the gap stems from. His record against the top pacers is good considering he's legit opening against dukes half the time.
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
an absolutely sensational player of spin bowling as well, Cricviz claims he averages 65+ against it.
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Me and my friend once had a huge debate on who was a better opener between Greenidge and Gavaskar. That was when I found out how Gavaskar's records on Australia, New Zealand and West Indies aren't very good.
And Greenidge's case is very interesting too. He was the only opener who made runs against Hadlee in NZ, but his numbers against Lillee and Thomson were quite bad. But after digging deep, I found out that Greenidge had great records against Lillee in WSC 1979, which made the whole comparison extremely weird. We ended up in a stalemate.
And Greenidge's case is very interesting too. He was the only opener who made runs against Hadlee in NZ, but his numbers against Lillee and Thomson were quite bad. But after digging deep, I found out that Greenidge had great records against Lillee in WSC 1979, which made the whole comparison extremely weird. We ended up in a stalemate.