Garry Sobers vs Steve Smith (prime)

[Johan]

Sobers peak

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Smith's peak

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[DrWolverine]

1958-1968 : Barrington was just as good as Sobers
No one as close to Smith during his peak


Overall
GS : 53 mat. 90 inn. 5511 runs @ 71. 19 100s. 21 50s
KB : 80 mat. 128 inn. 6754 runs @ 60. 20 100s. 35 50s

vs Aus
GS : 12M. 24 inn. 906 runs @ 36. 2 100s. 4 50s
KB : 23M. 39 inn. 2111 runs @ 63. 5 100s. 13 50s.

vs WI :
KB : 17M. 30 inn. 1042 runs @ 35. 3 100s

vs Eng :
GS : 20M. 33 inn. 2298 runs @ 82. 9 100s. 7 50s.

vs Ind, Pak @ NZ
GS : 21M. 33 inn. 2307 runs @ 88. 8 100s. 10 50s
KB : 28M. 39 inn. 2664 runs @ 81. 10 100s. 12 50s

in Aus
KB : 10M. 18 inn. 1046 runs @ 70. 4 100s. 6 50s
GS : 7M. 14 inn. 554 runs @ 40. 2 100s. 2 50s.

in Eng
KB : 44M. 70 inn. 3295 runs @ 52. 6 100s. 21 50s
GS : 10M. 16 inn. 1044 runs @ 69. 4 100s. 4 50s.

in WI
KB : 10 M. 16 inn. 708 runs @ 45. 3 100s. 2 50s..
GS : 25M. 42 inn. 2854 runs @ 84. 10 100s. 9 50s.

in Ind, Pak & SL
KB : 11M. 17 inn. 1197 runs @ 85. 5 100s. 4 50s
GS : 11M. 18 inn. 1059 runs @ 75. 3 100s. 6 50s

 

[Johan]

1958-1968 : Barrington was just as good as Sobers
No one as close to Smith during his peak


Overall
GS : 53 mat. 90 inn. 5511 runs @ 71. 19 100s. 21 50s
KB : 80 mat. 128 inn. 6754 runs @ 60. 20 100s. 35 50s

vs Aus
GS : 12M. 24 inn. 906 runs @ 36. 2 100s. 4 50s
KB : 23M. 39 inn. 2111 runs @ 63. 5 100s. 13 50s.

vs WI :
KB : 17M. 30 inn. 1042 runs @ 35. 3 100s

vs Eng :
GS : 20M. 33 inn. 2298 runs @ 82. 9 100s. 7 50s.

vs Ind, Pak @ NZ
GS : 21M. 33 inn. 2307 runs @ 88. 8 100s. 10 50s
KB : 28M. 39 inn. 2664 runs @ 81. 10 100s. 12 50s

in Aus
KB : 10M. 18 inn. 1046 runs @ 70. 4 100s. 6 50s
GS : 7M. 14 inn. 554 runs @ 40. 2 100s. 2 50s.

in Eng
KB : 44M. 70 inn. 3295 runs @ 52. 6 100s. 21 50s
GS : 10M. 16 inn. 1044 runs @ 69. 4 100s. 4 50s.

in WI
KB : 10 M. 16 inn. 708 runs @ 45. 3 100s. 2 50s..
GS : 25M. 42 inn. 2854 runs @ 84. 10 100s. 9 50s.

in Ind, Pak & SL
KB : 11M. 17 inn. 1197 runs @ 85. 5 100s. 4 50s
GS : 11M. 18 inn. 1059 runs @ 75. 3 100s. 6 50s

errrr

Sobers averages 10 over Barrington in that timeframe

 

[DrWolverine]

Sobers played 53 matches.
Barrington played 80 matches.

Sobers played at lower down the order and thus has a higher percentage of not outs compared to Barrington who played mostly at number 3 & 4.

Batting position

Number 3 : 40 & 11

Number 4 : 44 & 22

Number 5 : 28 & 20

Number 6 : 10 & 30

Number 7 : 0 & 6

 

[capt_Luffy]

errrr

Sobers averages 10 over Barrington in that timeframe

Home conditions, but yeah Sobers was better (though 36 v AUS)

 

[Johan]

Home conditions, but yeah Sobers was better (though 36 v AUS)

tbf small sample size

 

[capt_Luffy]

tbf small sample size

12 matches????

 

[Johan]

12 matches????

it's 39 how did it become 36 hm

 

[capt_Luffy]

it's 39 how did it become 36 hm

Still kinda underwhelming for peak NGL.

 

[Johan]

Still kinda underwhelming for peak NGL.

ngl I rate the 62 series because Davo was on fire, 33 wkts in 4 games type of fire and he made two tons on Davo, the home series is dissaponting though, also feel like the stats are kinda misleading in a sense because it's plainly from 1958-1968, at the end of 1968 Sobers was actually playing in Australia a 5 match series that would cross from december of 1968 to January of 1969.

The series scoreline for Sobers read

December 1968

2
36
19
67

Junuary/February 1969

49
36
110
52
13
113

so if you include the last 6 scores, his average becomes 44 vs Australia, 42.6 RPI while 46 avg in Australia and 4 tons in Australia, which is much better looking.

 

[Coronis]

ngl I rate the 62 series because Davo was on fire, 33 wkts in 4 games type of fire and he made two tons on Davo, the home series is dissaponting though, also feel like the stats are kinda misleading in a sense because it's plainly from 1958-1968, at the end of 1968 Sobers was actually playing in Australia a 5 match series that would cross from december of 1968 to January of 1969.

The series scoreline for Sobers read

December 1968

2
36
19
67

Junuary/February 1969

49
36
110
52
13
113

so if you include the last 6 scores, his average becomes 44 vs Australia, 42.6 RPI while 46 avg in Australia and 4 tons in Australia, which is much better looking.

I do often feel when picking out a player’s peak/prime it should be evened out by series, rather than an arbitrary date. For example with Smith, you wouldn’t include Pak and NZ in 2019.

 

[Johan]

I do often feel when picking out a player’s peak/prime it should be evened out by series, rather than an arbitrary date. For example with Smith, you wouldn’t include Pak and NZ in 2019.

Yeah, works much better

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Sobers played 53 matches.
Barrington played 80 matches.

Sobers played at lower down the order and thus has a higher percentage of not outs compared to Barrington who played mostly at number 3 & 4.

Batting position

Number 3 : 40 & 11

Number 4 : 44 & 22

Number 5 : 28 & 20

Number 6 : 10 & 30

Number 7 : 0 & 6

Tbf if you excluded not outs from most batsmen, their averages would take a serious hit.

 

[Coronis]

Tbf if you excluded not outs from most batsmen, their averages would take a serious hit.

iirc I did a post about runs per innings where everyone was banging on about it for a while. Both of them still average over 50 RPI. I believe the gap slightly increases in Barrington’s favour.

 

[subshakerz]

ngl I rate the 62 series because Davo was on fire, 33 wkts in 4 games type of fire and he made two tons on Davo, the home series is dissaponting though, also feel like the stats are kinda misleading in a sense because it's plainly from 1958-1968, at the end of 1968 Sobers was actually playing in Australia a 5 match series that would cross from december of 1968 to January of 1969.

The series scoreline for Sobers read

December 1968

2
36
19
67

Junuary/February 1969

49
36
110
52
13
113

so if you include the last 6 scores, his average becomes 44 vs Australia, 42.6 RPI while 46 avg in Australia and 4 tons in Australia, which is much better looking.

That was a pretty ordinary attack in the 68 series though, no? You tend to be particular about that.

And strange how you can rate a low 40s series from Sobers yet not from Tendulkar.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

That was a pretty ordinary attack in the 68 series though, no? You tend to be particular about that.

And strange how you can rate a low 40s series from Sobers yet not from Tendulkar.

You really need to let the Sachin stuff go. No cricketer is above criticism.

 

[subshakerz]

You really need to let the Sachin stuff go. No cricketer is above criticism.

I don't mind the critique. Just needs to be consistent.

 

[Johan]

That was a pretty ordinary attack in the 68 series though, no? You tend to be particular about that.

And strange how you can rate a low 40s series from Sobers yet not from Tendulkar.

don't really know why you think I discard everything with normal attacks/not ATG attacks.

only runs from Sachin that I don't really rate are runs against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh of the 2000s. I won't say making tons against Mckenzie or making tons against Johnson effect my views of an ATG bat comparision lol.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I don't mind the critique. Just needs to be consistent.

Respectfully, we've all been guilty of inconsistencies every now and then.

 

[subshakerz]

don't really know why you think I discard everything with normal attacks/not ATG attacks.

Yeah whereever would I get that impression?

Hmmm, I rate Sachin's 4 tons against Steyn and that's about it, take it or leave it.