England Test Team

[ma1978]

Calling it here, and it gives me no pleasure since I’ve really enjoyed the Bazball era but this World Cup is the canary in the coal mine. This is a team growing old very fast and often at the same time.

I think thetest team is going to have the same issues as the ODI team. Saw this movie in 2008 with Australia and 2011 with India, when it happens, it happens fast.

Blood young players ruthlessly, have a 12 month succession plan from Stokes to Brook. This is going downhill fast.

 

[mackembhoy]

Calling it here, and it gives me no pleasure since I’ve really enjoyed the Bazball era but this World Cup is the canary in the coal mine. This is a team growing old very fast and often at the same time.

I think thetest team is going to have the same issues as the ODI team. Saw this movie in 2008 with Australia and 2011 with India, when it happens, it happens fast.

Blood young players ruthlessly, have a 12 month succession plan from Stokes to Brook. This is going downhill fast.

We could easily turn out with Crawley,Duckett,Pope,Brook,Ahmed, Tongue in our next XI?

 

[Chin Music]

Very different emphasis with the test team, let alone different coach and captain as mackembhoy rightly suggests. More of an issue with the bowling lineup than the batting in the test team.

 

[ma1978]

I dunno - a world where Root, Bairstow, Stokes age fast means you have Harry Brook and then.,.

im not sure I’d bet the house on Pope, Crawley, Duckett etc

 

[Qlder]

Talk about an over reaction, you already have a 3000 post England thread

England players and selection discussion thread

I know stuff like this obviously comes up in the various match threads, but I thought it was worth having a dedicated thread for discussing the various members of the England teams across the various formats in terms of how they're doing, if they're going in the right direction etc. Also seems a...

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[wpdavid]

Very different emphasis with the test team, let alone different coach and captain as mackembhoy rightly suggests. More of an issue with the bowling lineup than the batting in the test team.

Spot on. We know that Broad's gone, also Moeen from the Ashes. And Anderson wasn't looking too promising in that series either. Throw in Robinson's fitness issues, and who knows what the bowling might look like next summer. But the top 5 should have years in them yet; even Root's only 32. Obviously Stokes' fitness is a concern, and that's probably the biggest issue in the top 7. Because there are several guys competing for Bairstow's place at 7, sooner or later.

 

[Molehill]

I dunno - a world where Root, Bairstow, Stokes age fast means you have Harry Brook and then.,.

im not sure I’d bet the house on Pope, Crawley, Duckett etc

Why not? Crawley just had an excellent series against the Test Champions whilst Duckett did ok. I like the fact we at least have an obvious pathway in place for the future, but it's not like Root's going anywhere soon.

Yes, the bowling front looks less promising, but we have at least already given caps to Potts and Tongue who are progressing nicely.

 

[Chin Music]

Why not? Crawley just had an excellent series against the Test Champions whilst Duckett did ok. I like ?the fact we at least have an obvious pathway in place for the future, but it's not like Root's going anywhere soon.

Yes, the bowling front looks less promising, but we have at least already given caps to Potts and Tongue who are progressing nicely.

I'd say that at least there are a few pace bowling prospects like those you have mentioned who might do ok, but of course there is far less certainty. With the batting, there are the likes of Rew, Hain and Bohannon who might also come into the equation should one or two of the established depart the scene, so I am not getting too downbeat, but of course it isn't that clever to look too far into the future. I mean, it was pretty depressing going into early 2022, but things looked markedly different come the end of the home summer, didn't they?

 

[ma1978]

Why not? Crawley just had an excellent series against the Test Champions whilst Duckett did ok. I like the fact we at least have an obvious pathway in place for the future, but it's not like Root's going anywhere soon.

Yes, the bowling front looks less promising, but we have at least already given caps to Potts and Tongue who are progressing nicely.

My sense is Root has two good years left in him.

Zak Crawley has a lower average than Kohn Crawley and a worse technique than Shreyas Iyer

less saidabout Duckett the better

 

[Molehill]

My sense is Root has two good years left in him.

Zak Crawley has a lower average than Kohn Crawley and a worse technique than Shreyas Iyer

less saidabout Duckett the better

What's the issue with Duckett? He averages 43, that's god like compared to some of the rubbish we've had in the last 10 years. Good player of spin too who I think will go well in India.

I'm not sure I'd trust your senses....

 

[mackembhoy]

I dunno - a world where Root, Bairstow, Stokes age fast means you have Harry Brook and then.,.

im not sure I’d bet the house on Pope, Crawley, Duckett etc

My sense is Root has two good years left in him.

Zak Crawley has a lower average than Kohn Crawley and a worse technique than Shreyas Iyer

less saidabout Duckett the better

Your OP is completely different to these posts though.

You say we need to blood young players. When we've likely got 6 aged 29 or under that will likely be in the XI for India.

You've seemingly forgot that Crawley, Duckett, Pope and Brook all had a wonderful tour in Pakistan.

Granted India doesn't offer pitches like it used to and it will be a challenge for them all. Rehan got a fifer on debut in Pakistan and Tongue could be useful in the SC.

Wonder if Carse is a likely candidate to go to, also a young player.

 

[BazBall21]

The attack will be in transition very soon. Batting lineup isn't ageing.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Next summer I'd like to see this XI
Crawley, Duckett, Bohannon, Root, Brook, Foakes (c),Rehan, Woakes, Wood/C Overton, Leach, Sam Cook

 

[ma1978]

Your OP is completely different to these posts though.

You say we need to blood young players. When we've likely got 6 aged 29 or under that will likely be in the XI for India.

You've seemingly forgot that Crawley, Duckett, Pope and Brook all had a wonderful tour in Pakistan.

Granted India doesn't offer pitches like it used to and it will be a challenge for them all. Rehan got a fifer on debut in Pakistan and Tongue could be useful in the SC.

Wonder if Carse is a likely candidate to go to, also a young player.

I'm saying England needs to blood the next generation of young players, because I'm still skeptical about this lot (other than Brook)

 

[mackembhoy]

Next summer I'd like to see this XI
Crawley, Duckett, Bohannon, Root, Brook, Foakes (c),Rehan, Woakes, Wood/C Overton, Leach, Sam Cook

I know it's your view, but I see no chance they will be going back to him.

They also don't seem to rate Cook, I was surprised they didn't call him up when Tongue was. It's an odd one.

Seamers in Lions Squad
With Caps: Tongue, Potts, Fisher, Carse
Without Caps: Turner, Lawes, James

 

[wpdavid]

Next summer I'd like to see this XI
Crawley, Duckett, Bohannon, Root, Brook, Foakes (c),Rehan, Woakes, Wood/C Overton, Leach, Sam Cook

I wouldn't be ditching Stokes if he's actually fit, and your team does look a batsman light.
I don't think we'll be playing two spinners in England. And Robinson plays if he's fit.
More positively, I can see why Bohannon might deserve a run in the side. And Sam Cook has done more than most to deserve a go post-Branderson, although personally I'd prefer to see Tongue again.

 

[GIMH]

Jimmy has a good ten years left in the tank anyway

 

[WICFan]

Jimmy has a good ten years left in the tank anyway

Could be player/chairman of selectors.

 

[Chin Music]

I know it's your view, but I see no chance they will be going back to him.

They also don't seem to rate Cook, I was surprised they didn't call him up when Tongue was. It's an odd one.

Seamers in Lions Squad
With Caps: Tongue, Potts, Fisher, Carse
Without Caps: Turner, Lawes, James

Re Craig Overton, the only thing that makes me not entirely rule him out is that he has never really had too many games on the bounce. The last two on the bounce were the home two tests v India in 2021, where he succeeded at Headingley but was mediocre to say the least at the Oval.

 

[Rob22888]

New poster, hi!

My worry with the England test team, is that I think we are likely to witness some unravelling of the 'bazball' approach in India over the winter. India are a high class team, with a top class bowling attack, playing in their own back yard. It's up there with playing Australia away as the biggest challenge in test cricket. It would be incredibly arrogant of England to think they can go over there, and just start smashing them all over the park.

There are going to be multiple times where England are going to have to survive and 'grind out' runs in challenging conditions, and I'm not sure we are that well equipped to do it. The Indians are certainly going to pride themselves on batting time and accumulating big scores (see Pujara in Australia), England are inevitably going to do some long stints in the field in the hot sun. Over the course of a five match series, it's going to start going belly up as bowlers get weary, if they are only getting a day or so rest between innings as England go out teeing off and taking excess risks when they bat.

I can only hope the England guys are switched on enough to respect the opposition and conditions appropriately. "It's the way we play" is going to be become a frustrating excuse for England supporters if they are losing, whilst getting caught in the deep slogging when we are 150-5.