David Terbrugge

[Craig]

Since David Terbrugge has been called up as cover for Shaun Pollock.

I'm wondering, should South Africa play an all-seam line-up and play Terbrugge instead of Adams? I suspect Adams will be taken apart by Styris, McMillan, Cairns, and Oram if he bowls his frequent full toss' in his spells.

Thoughts? Does anybody rate him?

David Terbrugge profile

 

[Rik]

He was unlucky with injuries but looked a really useful bowler. But then, he's very similer to Pollock and whilst Polly is a superb bowler, you don't really want 2 very similer bowlers in the same squad.

 

[Richard]

If they're both effective, why on Earth not?!
You pick your best bowlers; who gives a stuff about whether they're accurate and wicket-to-wicket or not!
IMO David Terbrugge is unbelievably unfortunate to have played so little international cricket, particularly given that he honestly has taken most of the opportunity offered him.
The like of Hayward, Willoughby, Pretorious and Zondeki are damn lucky to have played ahead of him.
That Willoughby's record is like it is is incredibly odd if you ask me. If he swung the ball he'd be such a handful; but because he doesn't, he's innocuous.
Another example of the myth of accurate bowling automatically bringing wickets.

 

[Langeveldt]

I havent seen a lot of the guy. although he is a talent and bowled very well against the WI a few years back...

Im just happy that there is such depth in the SA pace attack that he hasnt played much.. we will wait and see


One raving ginger replacing another?

 

[Richard]

Depth is all well and good until you get the like of Pretorious, Zondeki, Hayward and Willoughby (plus a few) getting picked ahead of the like of Terbrugge.
Not that all the above haven't got potential IMO, just that Terbrugge has always seemed to show his most when I've been watching and looking at scorecards.

 

[Langeveldt]

Hayward, Zondeki and Pretorius have made the same impact on me that Terbrugge has... I rate them as fast bowlers and they are all unproven as of yet....

As for Charl Willoughby, well he doesnt bowl much crap, and is a reliable bowler.. but he probably won't play again, and quite rightly...

 

[Richard]

Like I said, if Willoughby swung the ball he'd be a phenominal bowler. He's one of the most accurate I've seen.
Surely, methinks, he's worth another go in ODIs. Didn't see The TVS Cup (Bangladesh) myself, but he didn't do very well.
But someone who's clearly so acccurate is surely worth another go?
I certainly rate Pretorious, Zondeki and Hayward as potentially Test-class, but without doubt all still have some work to do.
Judging by this season, Terbrugge hasn't been at his best, but he seems to have made the most of his international opportunities.

 

[Craig]

If Pretorious bucked up his accuracy a little bit more, then he wouldnt be so bad.

After watching Zondeki bowl v Kenya in the WC I had this feeling they were going to take him to England. And my feeling was right.

What has happened to Justin Kemp?

 

[iamdavid]

What has happened to Justin Kemp?

He's fallen behind Klusener & Morkel in the selectorial favour stakes.
Rightly so IMO.

As for Tebrugge Id have to agree with Richard , Ive been a big fan of his since I first saw him bowl & Ive been amazed to see him play so little international cricket.

He is very accurate by test standards (only just below the McGrath , Vaas , Gillespie , Pollock level in terms of control) & whenever there is anything in the pitch he will extract it , because his seam position is superb & he uses his height very well.

 

[Richard]

If Pretorious bucked up his accuracy a little bit more, then he wouldnt be so bad.

After watching Zondeki bowl v Kenya in the WC I had this feeling they were going to take him to England. And my feeling was right.

What has happened to Justin Kemp?

If Pretorious was more accurate he'd be brilliant, because he swings and seams the ball and he's pretty quick. Sadly, he's not managed to do so yet. And I hope he does sometime.
IMO Kemp could be a very good all-rounder, better than Morkel. Shame is, his domestic one-day record, especially, is very disappointing.

 

[Langeveldt]

I think Kemp fell out of favour with the selectors, especially when Hall emerged in England... Kemp is a very classy bowler though

 

[Craig]

And a strong hitter as well.

 

[Richard]

I thoroughly agree that Kemp is a very good cricketer, better than both Hall and Morkel if you ask me.
But his one-day record doesn't do justice to what I believe is his ability.

 

[Craig]

Morkel has played 3 games already.

 

[Richard]

I know.
It's ridiculous.
Kallis, Kemp, Klusener, Pollock, Boje, Peterson, Morkel, Hall, the list goes on. Some up to standard, some not. But how on Earth can one country have so many players with all-round ability to even challenge for ODI places? And Cronje would still be there, too, but for the circumstances, which don't detract from his playing ability.

 

[Langeveldt]

Last decade, genuine allrounders


Kallis
Kemp
Hall
Morkel
Peterson
McMillan
Boje
Pollock
Cronje
Klusener
Peterson
Ontong
Crookes

Just some names off the top of my head... And if you take into account the potential cricket playing population as affected by apartheid would only have been about 4.7 million (NZ has 11 million?) then it makes it even more remarkable...

 

[Craig]

There is no way near 11m in New Zealand.

 

[Richard]

Last decade, genuine allrounders


Kallis
Kemp
Hall
Morkel
Peterson
McMillan
Boje
Pollock
Cronje
Klusener
Peterson
Ontong
Crookes

Knew I'd forgotten someone (Ontong). Never knew Crookes was an all-rounder, though. Certainly not a very good one.

 

[Craig]

Ontong had the makings of being a good ODI player, but lacks the committment and/or lack of talent.

 

[marc71178]

Last decade, genuine allrounders

Calling some of that list "genuine" all-rounders is stretching it more than a little!