CW's Ranking of All-Rounders (Tests)

[trundler]

Mushtaq Mohammad

 

[The Sean]

Monty Noble.

Though any of Cairns, Greig, Goddard or a couple of others would be more than worthy choices here too. It probably comes down to personal preference as much as anything between them at this point.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Cairnsy

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Hammond

 

[Bolo.]

Monty Noble.

Though any of Cairns, Greig, Goddard or a couple of others would be more than worthy choices here too. It probably comes down to personal preference as much as anything between them at this point.

Goddard is someone who we forget about.

Opening bat, higher bowling workload than famously high workload guys like Kapil and Hadlee (almost Warne, a famous workhorse spinner workload territory)

15 year career. Average of 26 ball and 34 bat.

To compare him to the top balanced AR on this list, Miller, he is obviously not of the same quality, but he shouldered twice the responsibility. Only Shakib comes close.

No idea how to compare him to Noble, but he is a long, long way ahead of Cairns and Greig (who gets seriously marked down for career length).

 

[ataraxia]

Noble

(Noble's a way better batter than Goddard and on a similar tier in bowling. But Goddard >> Stokes and other guys)

 

[Bolo.]

Noble

(not that i necessarilly agree with the sentiment that he is a better bat than Goddard... opener). Thinking more along the lines that he was a better bowler.

 

[mr_mister]

Mankad

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Actually as much as Chris Cairns was a legend, I'll change my vote to Procter. Barry Richards has missed out in the batting voting, but Procter deserves a spot. I'll also put Hammond ahead of Cairns.

What is everyone's comparison between Goddard and Barlow? SA contemporaries, openers, and v handy seamers. There seems to be a lot of posts about Goddard, but none about Barlow. Goddard had the better bowling stats (although Barlow's 7-fer/12-fer for the ROW vs England has been scrubbed from test stats), but Barlow averaged 45 with the bat.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

After Cairns it will be interesting between a big bunch of Kiwis.
John R Reid was on a par with Cairns,
but who was better from Vettori, Oram, and De Grandhomme (all flawed and talented in different ways)?

 

[ankitj]

Vinoo Mankad

 

[OverratedSanity]

Mushtaq Mohammed

 

[Nikhil99.99]

Wilfred Rhodes

 

[HookShot]

Wilfred Rhodes was never a true allrounder in that was either a bowler who batted at 9-10-Jack, or an opening batsman who rarely bowled.

For example, during the 1911-12 Ashes series when he made his record breaking opening partnership with Jack Hobbs he bowled a total of 19 overs and took 0 wickets.


Monty Noble

 

[ataraxia]

1905-ish Rhodes and post-war Rhodes were ARs (which combines for 15 years of Rhodes' career -- the standard career timespan nowadays)

 

[bagapath]

Mankad

 

[Bitmap]

Noble

 

[subshakerz]

Cairns.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Tony Greig averaged over 40 with the bat over 50 plus Tests with 8 centuries on four different continents including against prime time Lillee/Thomson on Australian green tops and prime time Indian spinning greats on Indian turners. Over 140 wickets at 32 with 6 5fers and 2 10fers. He was mainly a seam/swing bowler but turned to off cutters on a tour of the Windies and took 13 wickets in a match to square the series. A genuine Test Match all rounder. Some of these other choices ahead of him are very silly.

 

[harsh.ag]

Yeah, LT on the money. Stokes is a terrible choice ahead of Greig.