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Bumrah/Cummins/Rabada vs Anderson/Pollock/Walsh

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Thala_0710

First Class Debutant
Have any/all of the trio of the current gen pacers in Bumrah, Cummins and Rabada surpassed any/all of the 3 greats Anderson/Pollock/Walsh combining both quality and longevity? So if you make a list of the best all the pacers would have them higher?
Would like to know if maybe one has and the other two haven't for some reason and why might that be?
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Walsh - 21
Cummins - 22
Pollock - 23
Anderson - 28
Rabada - 31
Bumrah - 32

I think Cummins will surpass Walsh in a year or two; like a great series in Asia is enough. Rabada needs a few good series away, preferably some in SC. Bumrah just needs more wickets. He reaches 300 without falling much, I will declare him the best here (really believes he will).
 
Johan

Johan

International 12th Man
capt_Luffy said:
Walsh - 21
Cummins - 2
Pollock - 23
Anderson - 28
Rabada - 31
Bumrah - 32

I think Cummins will surpass Walsh in a year or two; like a great series in Asia is enough. Rabada needs a few good series away, preferably some in SC. Bumrah just needs more wickets. He reaches 300 without falling much, I will declare him the best here (really believes he will).
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Cummins-2 huh? interesting
 
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Thala_0710

First Class Debutant
I have them as:
Currently-
Walsh
Cummins
Pollock
Rabada
Anderson
Bumrah

Where they'll finish (going by quality)
Bumrah
Cummins
Walsh
Rabada
Pollock
Anderson
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Debutant
Bumrah started his test career in 2018. He stands at 173 wickets in 39 tests. So, that'd be 4.4358 wpm and 6.5 tests per year.
Assuming that he plays for another 8 years at 5 tests per match and with the same wpm, his numbers would look something like:-
350 wickets in 80 matches.
(Not sure if assuming he would continue for 8 more years is too brave of me. Guess injury could be an issue.)

In the same way numbers of Cummins and Rabada would look something like:-
420 wickets in 97 tests &
480 wickets in 105 tests respectively.

It'll be interesting to see if these predictions age well or not.
 
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Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
I like Walsh very much. And feel I rate him a bit more than others here.

But I really don’t know how someone rates him above Pollock, personally
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Coronis said:
I like Walsh very much. And feel I rate him a bit more than others here.

But I really don’t know how someone rates him above Pollock, personally
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The same reason I rate Anderson really high, a 17 year career for a pacer is really prime stuff.
 
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Thala_0710

First Class Debutant
sayon basak said:
Bumrah started his test career in 2018. He stands at 173 wickets in 39 tests. So, that'd be 4.4358 wpm and 6.5 tests per year.
Assuming that he plays for another 8 years at 5 tests per match and with the same wpm, his numbers would look something like:-
350 wickets in 80 matches.
(Not sure if assuming he would continue for 8 more years is too brave of me. Guess injury could be an issue.)

In the same way numbers of Cummins and Rabada would look something like:-
420 wickets in 97 tests &
480 wickets in 105 tests respectively.

It'll be interesting to see if these predictions age well or not.
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All three of them would surely end up in the top 10 pacers of all time then, with Bumrah in the top 5 maybe?
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Debutant
Thala_0710 said:
All three of them would surely end up in the top 10 pacers of all time then, with Bumrah in the top 5 maybe?
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Top 10 imo:-
1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Glenn McGrath
3. Richard Hadlee
4. Sydney Barnes
5. Curtly Ambrose
6. Wasim Akram
7. Dale Steyn
8. Dennis Lillee
9. Fred Trueman
10. Imran Khan

Curtly Ambrose took 405 wickets in 98 matches @20.99. It's not impossible for Bumrah to catch up I guess. He will have to maintain his stats both at home and overseas.

Rabada would have to perform significantly better overseas.
 
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Thala_0710

First Class Debutant
sayon basak said:
Top 10 imo:-
1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Glenn McGrath
3. Richard Hadlee
4. Sydney Barnes
5. Curtly Ambrose
6. Wasim Akram
7. Dale Steyn
8. Dennis Lillee
9. Fred Trueman
10. Imran Khan

Curtly Ambrose took 405 wickets in 98 matches @20.99. It's not impossible for Bumrah to catch up I guess. He will have to maintain his stats both at home and overseas.

Rabada would have to perform significantly better overseas.
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I'd go:
1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Glenn McGrath
3. Richard Hadlee
4. Dale Steyn
5. Imran Khan
6. Curtly Ambrose
7. Wasim Akram
8. Denis Lillee
9. Allan Donald
10. Joel Garner
This is not including Barnes with Holding, Trueman, Waqar and Lindwall pretty close behind.
My guess would be Rabada ends up 15th behind the names I mentioned and ahead of Walsh Davidson Pollock Anderson etc. Cummins in and around the 9-12th region and Bumrah from the 4th-7th region potentially surpassing Steyn, Imran, Ambrose and Akram imo
 
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Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
sayon basak said:
Top 10 imo:-
1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Glenn McGrath
3. Richard Hadlee
4. Sydney Barnes
5. Curtly Ambrose
6. Wasim Akram
7. Dale Steyn
8. Dennis Lillee
9. Fred Trueman
10. Imran Khan

Curtly Ambrose took 405 wickets in 98 matches @20.99. It's not impossible for Bumrah to catch up I guess. He will have to maintain his stats both at home and overseas.

Rabada would have to perform significantly better overseas.
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@subshakerz

Also not sure how Trueman can make the 10.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
  1. Marshall
  2. McGrath
  3. Hadlee
  4. Barnes
  5. Steyn
  6. Imran
  7. Ambrose
  8. Akram
  9. Donald
  10. Garner
  11. Lillee
  12. Lindwall
  13. Holding
  14. Trueman
  15. Davidson
  16. Waqar

The highest I can see them to reach:

Bumrah: 9
Cummins: 10
Rabada: 14
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
subshakerz said:
Simple. Barnes shouldn't be in the pacer list. Trueman deserves to be there, best of his era.
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Lindwall and Davidson were better than him for sure. Have you seen Trueman’s away record? Its actually pretty damn atrocious and propped up by a weak NZ team.
 
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