Best Indian Spinner

[capt_Luffy]

Ponting did have a decent couple of final two series in India but couldn't recover from damage in previous tours. So those tours don't matter, he is considered a flop.

Ashwin averages 42 in Australia. Even with your point it is somehow not representative, that still is Murali/Warne in India territory.

Point being we are pushing Ashwin in India as a success way too much.

My point is simple, Warne and Murali (especially Murali, won had contributed in 2004/05 series win; my main problem with him is he wasn't good against India anywhere, home or away, unlike Muralitharan) hardly contributed in winning series in India; Ashwin did that twice in Australia. I can't see what's there in my point you aren't getting?? Also like, I am not really out here saying Ashwin is as good as Warne or Murali; am I?

As for Ponting, the same point works. He had 2 decent series, but really didn't led his team to victory in any of those. He is considered a flop because i those 2 decent tours he wasn't impactful enough, neither his team won. Had he contributed Australia to even a Test win in India, I would not had been so harsh on him; even the only series Australia won in India in the 2000s, he only played a single match and scored 23 runs across both innings.

 

[Silver Silva]

Kumble on these pitches would make India as unbeatable.

Controversial take but I don't think Kumble becomes a regular in Ashwin's Era, it's definitely not a guarantee..Ashwin and Jadeja were better batsmen and their results with the ball speak for themselves..
He could have been the Kuldeep Yadav of current Indian Test team ..
Ashwin got the results, with Kumble its speculation of what he could have done on current Era..I think the best spinners needs to be the one with the best performance.

 

[subshakerz]

My point is simple, Warne and Murali (especially Murali, won had contributed in 2004/05 series win; my main problem with him is he wasn't good against India anywhere, home or away, unlike Muralitharan) hardly contributed in winning series in India; Ashwin did that twice in Australia. I can't see what's there in my point you aren't getting?? Also like, I am not really out here saying Ashwin is as good as Warne or Murali; am I?

As for Ponting, the same point works. He had 2 decent series, but really didn't led his team to victory in any of those. He is considered a flop because i those 2 decent tours he wasn't impactful enough, neither his team won. Had he contributed Australia to even a Test win in India, I would not had been so harsh on him; even the only series Australia won in India in the 2000s, he only played a single match and scored 23 runs across both innings.

Ok. I get ranking series victory performances over regular ones.

Let's leave Ponting cas he is a batter. My point is that qualitatively, Ashwins performance isn't far from Warne and Murali who are both considered failures in India.

Now, fair enough though, we aren't comparing Ashwin to Murali/Warne overall, but compared to Kumble in Australia I think Kumble is superior.

Warne is instructive because Warne pretty much played a similar support role in 2004/2005 victory as Ashwin in 2021. Yet his record couldn't recover from damage of previous tours.

So Ashwin in Australia to me is at most an average middling performance

 

[subshakerz]

Controversial take but I don't think Kumble becomes a regular in Ashwin's Era, it's definitely not a guarantee..Ashwin and Jadeja were better batsmen and their results with the ball speak for themselves..
He could have been the Kuldeep Yadav of current Indian Test team ..
Ashwin got the results, with Kumble its speculation of what he could have done on current Era..I think the best spinners needs to be the one with the best performance.

Check Kumbles home record in the 90s on sporting but not even as spicy wickets as in the 2010s.

 

[honestbharani]

Yes, averaging 40 is a dismal failure. So we should agree Imran is a hack as he could not do better than 40 across all 4th innings throughout his career across all condiitions.


Ash >> Imran as an allrounder, hence proved.

 

[subshakerz]

Yes, averaging 40 is a dismal failure. So we should agree Imran is a hack as he could not do better than 40 across all 4th innings throughout his career across all condiitions.


Ash >> Imran as an allrounder, hence proved.

Red herring alert.

Anyways the same folks here pumping up Ashwin in Australia would also likely dismiss Anderson as a failure in Australia too

 

[Slifer]

A spinner should be judged on matches won for country, Ashwin makes India almost unbeatable at home it won't be easily replicated

There's no almost, India are unbeatable at home. And that's primarily because of Ash.

 

[h_hurricane]

Saw the thread title and without even reading through the thread, knew that @subshakerz will post his views on Ashwin.

 

[subshakerz]

Saw the thread title and without even reading through the thread, knew that @subshakerz will post his views on Ashwin.

Hey why not? Gotta keep this board lively.

 

[subshakerz]

People who rate Ashwin the best underestimate or downplay:

- The degree to which pitches in India this decade have performance enhanced the returns of all spinners, even mediocre foreign ones.

- The degree to which there have been limitations in Ashwin's wicket-taking capacity in SENA.

I hope Ashwin can follow with a rip tearing tour of Australia, take a bunch of matchwinning fifers, and bury this ghost once and for all. Until then, cricket punditry won't see him quite as some posters here do.

 

[Jumno]

Ramesh Power.
Kulkarni.
Hirwarni.

 

[Jumno]

Bedi, followed by shiva.

The 70s and 80s was blessed with great spinners.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Kumble obviously. He didn't need pitches nerfed up to this degree.

Ashwin has yet to really seal a game in SENA. No fifer yet. Instant disqualifier.

I reckon you could cut off around 100 Ashwin home wickets just based on pitch factors.

Kumble has a poor away record as well. And Ashwin has a god level record in Ind and amazing WPM and SR, despite facing fierce competition from Jadeja.

 

[subshakerz]

Kumble has a poor away record as well. And Ashwin has a god level record in Ind and amazing WPM and SR, despite facing fierce competition from Jadeja.

Kumble has some smatterings of impact away moreso IMO than Ashwin.

Ashwin in India to me is like Philander in SA. Nerfed up by the conditions moreso than skill. It's bizarre to me how posters here ignore that when looking at his record.

 

[shortpitched713]

Kumble has some smatterings of impact away moreso IMO than Ashwin.

Ashwin in India to me is like Philander in SA. Nerfed up by the conditions moreso than skill. It's bizarre to me how posters here ignore that when looking at his record.

Joke's on you, I consider Philander an ATG bowler.

 

[Jumno]

Kumble performed well in Eng 2002. I'm confident he picked up impactful wickets in that Indian test win. Kumble was good in Aus 2004 and instrumental in their series win against WI 2006.

 

[reyrey]

If away records are the deciding factor then my man Chandrasekhar has no equals

Got wickets everywhere (1 flat track draw in Pak spoils his average there)

	Span	Mat	Inns	Ballss	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Avg	Econ	SR	5w
in Australia	1967-1978	7	13	1956	878	29	6/52	12/104	30.27	2.69	67.4	3	1
in England	1967-1979	9	15	2319	1053	31	6/38	8/114	33.96	2.72	74.8	2	0
in India	1964-1979	32	55	9185	3933	142	8/79	11/235	27.69	2.56	64.6	8	1
in New Zealand	1976-1976	3	4	719	294	11	6/94	8/179	26.72	2.45	65.3	1	0
in Pakistan	1978-1978	3	4	576	385	8	4/130	4/179	48.12	4.01	72.0	0	0
in West Indies	1976-1976	4	6	1208	656	21	6/120	8/208	31.23	3.25	57.5	2	0

 

[Calm_profit]

At home definitely Ashwin.
Away probably Chandra.

 

[subshakerz]

Joke's on you, I consider Philander an ATG bowler.

Oh God.

 

[Calm_profit]

Kumble performed well in Eng 2002. I'm confident he picked up impactful wickets in that Indian test win. Kumble was good in Aus 2004 and instrumental in their series win against WI 2006.

Kumble also performed well in South Africa 2006,1992 and in WestIndies 1997 and was also instrumental in series victory in Pakistan 2004.