DrWolverine
International Regular
Who would you choose in an average test team?
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Ben Stokes vs Kapil Dev
- Thread starter DrWolverine
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Thala_0710
State Captain
Wtf is this
Thala_0710
State Captain
Narayana's philosophy of the newer player the better he is scaling heights with Stokes > Kapil > Worrell
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
Jazz Music stops
capt_Luffy
International Coach
What the ****ety **** is this!!!
SillyCowCorner1
Moooo
Jadeja
Thala_0710
State Captain
Stokes has a vote too
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Yeah but that's just Narayana being himself
capt_Luffy
International Coach
**** durability. It isn't remotely close on quality with those 2
BazBall21
International Captain
Stokes had a better peak, but is too reliant on his peak to beat Dev. Cairns' performance output is similar, but didn't play as frequently as Kapil and would probably need a better record v Australia.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Stokes' peak is a fair bit overrated. Never found success in India or Australia, and overall career, just even qualifies as an all-rounder. Cairns is Kapil but much worse bowler and without longevity.
BazBall21
International Captain
From 2016-2020, Stokes averaged above 40 with the bat and below 30 with the ball amidst solid hundred&WPM rates. Better at home than away, but so was Kapil. More dominant numbers than Kapil managed across any sustained period. Stokes' bowling petering away has cost him a lot overall. Obviously his batting hasn't gone as far as hoped, but Kapil's away average with the ball never got overly close to dipping below 30 so he clearly had his limitations too. Don't think there's a massive gap qualitively. Kapil's superior longevity is the major tiebreaker.
Don't agree that Cairns is a much worse bowler. He just couldn't get on the park frequently enough.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Let's just say I don't agree with either thing here. Stokes' bowling load was never high enough personally. I think you forget Kapil is genuinely ATG in WI and Australia and has MOTS in England
BazBall21
International Captain
Some impressive highlights are rightly acknowledged, but that doesn't mean struggling overall in England, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and New Zealand should be ignored. Stokes himself has been a monster in SAF and has some big bowling feats in Asia.
Around 2.5WPM @ 27.6 in the specified period for Stokes is very solid to say that was marginally his second suit. He did a lot of good work with the old ball. Big spells and partnership snaps. Would be a big call to not take that over Kapil's batting.
I'm not disputing that Kapil is ahead, but I don't think he was in a different league to Cairns and Stokes in terms of quality.
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capt_Luffy
International Coach
I will end with I will take Kapil between 79-83 over any period of Cairns or Stokes. Took 234 wickets over that period.
BazBall21
International Captain
I think Stokes 2016-2020 was considerably better than Kapil 1979-1983 in their secondary suits. Not convinced Kapil is dominant enough in their stronger suits to turn it around.