Bad Taste in the Mouth

[marc71178]

Through 4 Tests England have battled as well as they can, and always been quick to praise the opposition, and fulfil their press obligations, no matter how much they didn't want to.

After the 4th day of the 5th Test, Hayden was hauled up for smashing a window, Gilchrist for abusing the umpire, and no-one attended the post-match press conference.

Who said sportsmanship was dead?

 

[Blewy]

There is alot of mis-conception over here about what happened with the broken window...

The media are beating it up saying that Hayden through his bat through the pavilion door smashing the glass in it...

But a few former players who were in the shed at the time have denied that occured saying that the left side of the pavilion door was locked when hayden come in, and as he walked in he kicked the door and smashed the glass....

Its not good to see, and i think its more to the fact that the ammount of bad decisions are getting frustrating rather than the forthcoming loss...

 

[Top_Cat]

Errr, anyone who's ever played against the Aussies, really.

England are good sports but Australia won the series. Who do you think the English players would rather be?

Seriously, the obsession with the gentlemanly side of the game is ridiculous. Cricket hasn't been a gentleman's game for at least 80 years. I can understand why England would praise the opposition but what choice do they have? If they didn't they'd be accused of being sore losers, which would be grossly unfair.

Bascially, in this day and age, as a team you have to make a choice between being good gentlemanly sportsmen or being winners because the two are incompatible. The Aussies learnt that lesson the hard way in 1987 when they decided they'd had enough of losing and being nice guys.

I think for England to turn the corner, they'd be better of doing the same. But again they probably couldn't win because if they win the Ashes by dumping the antiquated sportsmanship, they'd probably be panned for not being gentlemen by the press. It's symptomatic of the press in general; they always have to find SOMETHING to criticise and if England win the Ashes, I don't think it would be any different.

 

[age_master]

well you gotta admit that the decisions in this game may have cost australia the game, lee had Butcher on his firts ball and then butcher went on to make 100, Hussain also should have got less, Harmison should have got virtually nothing in their 2nd innings, Vaughn May have made up for that bt we will never know than Hayden AND langer were given out and should not have been

 

[Rik]

I remember Hussain trying to trash someone's crutches once...I can't remember where or when though.

 

[Top_Cat]

well you gotta admit that the decisions in this game may have cost australia the game, lee had Butcher on his firts ball and then butcher went on to make 100, Hussain also should have got less, Harmison should have got virtually nothing in their 2nd innings, Vaughn May have made up for that bt we will never know than Hayden AND langer were given out and should not have been

Dude, that's just cricket for you. The Aussies have been the beneficiaries of certain decisions in the past but even then, decisions only really affect the outcome of the game when you've got yourself in such a position where you haven't played well enough to make them a non-entity.

I can think of only one Test I've ever seen where several bad decisions actually cost a team the game and that was in India a few years ago. Maybe Adelaide in 1992 agains the WI too but even then, that was only one decision - Australia just didn't play well enough to win the game.

 

[aussie_beater]

well you gotta admit that the decisions in this game may have cost australia the game, lee had Butcher on his firts ball and then butcher went on to make 100, Hussain also should have got less, Harmison should have got virtually nothing in their 2nd innings, Vaughn May have made up for that bt we will never know than Hayden AND langer were given out and should not have been

Bad decisions happen for every team.It wasn't Australia's match and that's that..... England played admirably to get into this winning position and that's all is what matters.

About this sportsmanship thing.... I'd say who gives a damn...beat the Aussies and relish the moment.Let them complain for all they want

 

[Rich2001]

I agree that bad desicions even themsleves out over time, and what comes around goes around.

However what really annoys me is that when England are being beatten by Australia we are pants, can't do anything (etc in the nicest possible words) yet when England actualy pull their socks up and have a good match and (soon to) beat Australia not one of you (bar Top_Cat) can actually just say, well done it was England's day, we get you next time... it always has to be the the same old rubbish, oh you was lucky if only this had happen etc etc.

 

[Rich2001]

Also like to add Aussie_beater to that bar list. You posted at the same time as me so didn't get to read you post till after

 

[aussie_beater]

Also like to add Aussie_beater to that bar list. You posted at the same time as me so didn't get to read you post till after

Cheers Mate ! Great performance from England.....I am getting drunk today to celebrate this Aussie defeat

 

[anzac]

However what really annoys me is that when England are being beatten by Australia we are pants, can't do anything (etc in the nicest possible words) yet when England actualy pull their socks up and have a good match and (soon to) beat Australia not one of you (bar Top_Cat) can actually just say, well done it was England's day, we get you next time... it always has to be the the same old rubbish, oh you was lucky if only this had happen etc etc. [/B]

give it a chance - the match has only just finished and some of the guys are probably still at work and not in a position to post anything yet!!!!!!

:P

 

[hourn]

whoever said that sportsmanship should be placed above winning probably lost

 

[marc71178]

well you gotta admit that the decisions in this game may have cost australia the game, lee had Butcher on his firts ball and then butcher went on to make 100, Hussain also should have got less, Harmison should have got virtually nothing in their 2nd innings, Vaughn May have made up for that bt we will never know than Hayden AND langer were given out and should not have been

So England had a few breaks in this match - not convinced on Butcher myself, but can you answer me how many breaks Aus have had in the past 4 matches. What goes around comes around.

 

[marc71178]

Also like to add Aussie_beater to that bar list. You posted at the same time as me so didn't get to read you post till after

He's not an Aussie though!

 

[Neil Pickup]

Yey, Whingeing Aussies!

It's funny that whenever some decisions go our way, or when you have a couple (or more) injuries, then it's outrageous luck that England are winning.

However, when it's the other way round, then that's life and these things even themselves out over time.

So grow up and admit we were the better side over this Test in the same way that we can admit that you were the better side in the First Four.

Hourn - yes.. but that's no reason to whinge in such a manner when you don't win, is it?

 

[age_master]

yeah vaughn and hoggard played well in this last test, the rest of them had luck though


its funny though, Australia win four tests and enghland win one and english people get really excited (spose it goes to show that they dont win many matches :P)

 

[Rik]

yeah vaughn and hoggard played well in this last test, the rest of them had luck though


its funny though, Australia win four tests and enghland win one and english people get really excited (spose it goes to show that they dont win many matches :P)

Hmmmm, don't get so ****y. We've won more than you think.

 

[age_master]

im just commenting on what ive seen in the last few days, here, in the barmy army and outside the pubs near the cricket ground

 

[Neil Pickup]

yeah vaughan and hoggard played well in this last test, the rest of them had luck though

its funny though, Australia win four tests and enghland win one and english people get really excited (spose it goes to show that they dont win many matches :P)

What about Caddick? 10 wickets, all lucky?

You're just bitter cause you didn't get the 5-0. I reckon it's funny that you lose one and you get all whingey and moany

As for bad decisions, what about that Love LBW to Harmison that was hitting middle?
Mind, he did get his stumps rearranged shortly afterwards

 

[marc71178]

yeah vaughn and hoggard played well in this last test, the rest of them had luck though

Will you give it a break?

England won because 2 played well, and the other 9 had luck?

Try accepting the fact you lost to the better side over the 5 days.

Caddick took 10 in the match, are you telling me that was all luck?

I note you still haven't addressed the luck of the Australian's in the first 4 matches.