Aussie ODI squad for WI

[age_master]

Aussie ODI squad for the WI ODI leg




NAME STATE AGE CAPS
Ricky Ponting (captain) TAS 28 168
Adam Gilchrist (vice-captain) WA 31 162
Michael Bevan NSW 32 205
Andrew Bichel QLD 32 46
Jason Gillespie SA 27 50
Nathan Hauritz QLD 21 5
Ian Harvey VIC 31 49
Matthew Hayden QLD 31 65
Brad Hogg WA 32 25
Brett Lee NSW 26 65
Darren Lehmann SA 33 95
Jimmy Maher QLD 29 21
Damien Martyn* WA 31 123
Glenn McGrath NSW 33 179
Andrew Symonds QLD 27 63


Martyn will be asesed for fitness colser to departure date


personally i dont see how harvey keeps his spot in the side, we may as well just play another specialist bowler with Bichal, hogg and lee all beoing handy with the bat, all probably better than harvey

 

[Blewy]

They were never gonna change the WC squad....

 

[age_master]

not counting gillespie coming back ofcourse :P

 

[Neil Pickup]

Bichal, hogg and lee all beoing handy with the bat, all probably better than harvey

I would disagree with that (their being better than Harvey). Granted they all have ODI 50s while Harvey doesn't, but I think Harvey is more likely to produce when it matters more consistently (altough Bichel definitely did that in the WC!!)

I agree that another specialist bowler would be a better pick than a bits-and-pieces guy like Harvey - who, let's face it - wouldn't get near the squads for bowling alone.

 

[Eclipse]

Harvey just cant dig in and make runs when they are needed he is really just good for a slog.

At least players like Bichel, Warne, Lee etc.. always show some fight.

I know Harvey is a very Talented Batsman but he doesent seem to rise to the occasion enough.

 

[marc71178]

Harvey just cant dig in and make runs when they are needed he is really just good for a slog.

Well this ODIs we're talking about, so does he really need to dig in given the line up he's in?

 

[Rik]

Why is Harvey in the squad you ask? Isn't a batting average of 22 (from the 5 occasions he came in, mostly near the end of the innings) and a bowling average of 19.62 good enough for you?

 

[Eclipse]

Well this ODIs we're talking about, so does he really need to dig in given the line up he's in?

What you think that a player can just go out and slog it every time he bats?

When the top order fails we need somone to dig in and get the team to a respectable total like Bichel did with Beven I am afraid Harvey just seems incapable of doing that.

 

[Dingo]

Harvey's problem is his attitude to the game, a large part of why Victorian coach David Hookes was about to drop him before his World Cup call-up. If he tried as hard as his teammates, he'd be a great all-rounder for Australia, but it appears as if he's just going to be another mediocre player.

On another topic, surprised the Australians haven't dropped Lehmann and a few other oldies, since Lehmann has stated he won't be around for WI 2007, maybe a chance to blood Clarke for then...

 

[Cloete]

yeah good point m8. i feel lehmann and waugh should b dropped. and bring in some youngsters. or even Bevo. come to think of it i feel australia should be giving bevan a go in the tests. he's a better test player than he is ODI(and that;s sayin sumthin:O).

 

[bugssy]

mate one of my fav players is bevo and i remember in a certain test at the adelaide oval bevo hit 87* and took 2, 5 wicket hauls for 10 for the match.

he scores runs for nsw year in year out and lehman is struggling at the moment.


as for harvey, he is just a decent pura milk anc ing cup player but next level he just doesnt seem to perform. plenty of other guys i bet that given the opportunity would perfomr better than he does.

like me for example

pmsl

 

[marc71178]

What you think that a player can just go out and slog it every time he bats?

When the top order fails we need somone to dig in and get the team to a respectable total like Bichel did with Beven I am afraid Harvey just seems incapable of doing that.

Oh sorry, I thought that the Australian Top Order were so good that anyone below number 6 only gets a few balls to face, so it's better that they're sloggers.

How silly of me.

 

[Eclipse]

Oh sorry, I thought that the Australian Top Order were so good that anyone below number 6 only gets a few balls to face, so it's better that they're sloggers.

How silly of me.

What the hell are you on about I never said anything like that you goose.

I think they should be capable of diging in being a good sloger is importaint but does not take priority IMO

 

[Neil Pickup]

yeah good point m8. i feel lehmann and waugh should b dropped. and bring in some youngsters. or even Bevo. come to think of it i feel australia should be giving bevan a go in the tests. he's a better test player than he is ODI(and that;s sayin sumthin:O).

Bevan has been bounced out of Test Cricket by England twice

 

[age_master]

lehmann made a few last night


Harvey, anyone who saw harvey batting during the world cup knows that well hes not the greatest, he didn't have a clue at all with shane bond, and a couple of others, bichel looked far more comfortable against bond, and well we all know ehat lee does to quick bowling....


Harvey with the ball is not really needed, especially if 4 of McGrath, Gillespie, lee, bichel, hogg, warne are playing.

Symonds, Lehmann, Martyn (though dont think he should be in the team either:P), bevan can bowl more than 10 overs between them

 

[Don Ricardo]

I think Harvey does deserve his spot pretty much for his bowling, especially considering he just took 8/101 in an innings vs south africa 'a' and bowled ok at the world cup when called upon.

 

[Top_Cat]

yeah good point m8. i feel lehmann and waugh should b dropped. and bring in some youngsters. or even Bevo. come to think of it i feel australia should be giving bevan a go in the tests. he's a better test player than he is ODI(and that;s sayin sumthin).

His Test record doesn't bear that out at all and with 18 Tests to his name, it can hardly be said he hasn't been given a chance. Plus, those two 80's he scored boosted his average a little but a Test average of 29 compared to a ODI average of 54 suggests that your statement is erroneous.

mate one of my fav players is bevo and i remember in a certain test at the adelaide oval bevo hit 87* and took 2, 5 wicket hauls for 10 for the match.

I was there and that 85* was one of the most painful Test innings I've ever had the mispleasure of watching. Far from keeping to his usual shot-playing style, Bev scored 85 at the devastating rate of 263 balls inclusding a massive SIX boundaries.

On a PERFECT batting deck, all Bev could do was keep the bowling out and he struggled to do that (getting bowled off a Bishop no-ball). People went on about how he was unlucky to not get a ton blah, blah but if he'd shown a modicum of aggression instead of trying to keep a mediocre Test attack out, he would have gotten his ton with plenty of time to spare.

Now, his 87* in Perth in the next Test was a FAR better innings.

Bevan has been bounced out of Test Cricket by England twice

Yeah funny how they just found something, went for it and it worked. Having said that Steve Rixon and most other NSW people say he has no weakness against the short ones so it must be so. The English sides must have just gotten (consistently) lucky yet again...........

And Don you beat me to it. I was just about to say that Harvey's 8'fer against South Africa A might have had something to do with his selection. Plus he's just a handy player with the ball and a brilliant fielder.

 

[age_master]

hes playing the hook more now but still is a little weak against it


othe NSW players are very very strong on the hook though, like Katich, Slats and Clarke - i think hes been getting a little help from them


bevan has had his chance in test cricket and will, i can say with fair aurthority, never play test cricket as a batsman again, if his bowling picks up again he is a chance, but with the aussie bowling the way it is atm and players like Clarke, Katich etc all being able to bowl abit than it is very unlikley he will ever be picked in teh test side again

 

[Coach_Pearson]

Katich is the same style of player (and bowling more in Pura Cup games more too) as compared to Bevan, and Katich is younger.

But I must say Australia are a little disappointing, every other ODI side is building towatds 2007, except us aussies.