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All time XIs discussion

Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
Cook did better than Smith in Asia. Also Adam Gilchrist failed in India and Andy Flower is one of the very best batsman there and if the team has only one spinner, can't see why he won't get ahead. Lara also did relatively poorly in India, and Viv was Okay in India and Pakistan both. Based on records, Border and Sobers (averages 100 odd) should be ahead of both easily. And of course, a 5 man bowling attack with only one kinda allrounder makes the batting susceptible.

I will probably go:
Hayden
Cook
Kallis
Smith
Sobers
Flower (wk)
Botham
Benaud
Hadlee
Marshall
Steyn
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With all due respect, Flower is just not near Gilly as a keeper. Gilly has 4 tons in Asia, more than any keeper bar Flower, and Asia is not just India.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Coronis said:
With all due respect, Flower is just not near Gilly as a keeper. Gilly has 4 tons in Asia, more than any keeper bar Flower, and Asia is not just India.
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Now, Asia isn't only India; but India and Pakistan are by far the major challenges in Asia for it's vast majority; with the SL team having a very solid 2 decade run where they can challenge these two. Flower makes it just as a batsman imo, and Warne doesn't. So, if keeping to Warne isn't considered, I can't see why I would trade a batsman for Gilly.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
Now, Asia isn't only India; but India and Pakistan are by far the major challenges in Asia for it's vast majority; with the SL team having a very solid 2 decade run where they can challenge these two. Flower makes it just as a batsman imo, and Warne doesn't. So, if keeping to Warne isn't considered, I can't see why I would trade a batsman for Gilly.
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Except again, Flower isn’t half the keeper Gilly is, and you’re going to have at least one spinner in Asia… picking Flower is very shortsighted.
 
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Tejretics

Cricket Spectator
My all-time XIs for countries among players who played at least a little bit at the highest level after the 1960s ended (but considering their whole careers) would be (and I’m also considering, in some cases, first-class performance):

Australia
  1. Matthew Hayden
  2. Usman Khawaja
  3. Ricky Ponting
  4. Steve Smith
  5. Greg Chappell
  6. Steve Waugh (c)
  7. Adam Gilchrist (wk)
  8. Pat Cummins
  9. Shane Warne
  10. Dennis Lillee
  11. Glenn McGrath
West Indies
  1. Gordon Greenidge
  2. Desmond Haynes
  3. Viv Richards
  4. Brian Lara
  5. Garry Sobers
  6. Clive Lloyd (c)
  7. Jeff Dujon (wk)
  8. Malcolm Marshall
  9. Michael Holding (close between him and Garner)
  10. Lance Gibbs
  11. Curtly Ambrose
South Africa (including first-class records during isolation)
  1. Barry Richards
  2. Graeme Smith (c)
  3. Jacques Kallis
  4. Graeme Pollock
  5. AB de Villiers
  6. Quinton de Kock (wk)
  7. Mike Procter
  8. Shaun Pollock (although I was tempted by Rabada)
  9. Keshav Maharaj
  10. Dale Steyn
  11. Allan Donald
England
  1. Alastair Cook
  2. Geoff Boycott
  3. David Gower
  4. Joe Root
  5. Kevin Pietersen
  6. Ben Stokes (c)
  7. Ian Botham
  8. Alan Knott (wk)
  9. Graeme Swann
  10. Bob Willis
  11. James Anderson
India
  1. Sunil Gavaskar
  2. Virender Sehwag
  3. Rahul Dravid
  4. Sachin Tendulkar
  5. Virat Kohli (c)
  6. Rishabh Pant (wk)
  7. Kapil Dev
  8. Ravichandran Ashwin
  9. Anil Kumble
  10. Mohammed Shami
  11. Jasprit Bumrah
Pakistan
  1. Saeed Anwar
  2. Hanif Mohammad
  3. Younis Khan
  4. Javed Miandad
  5. Mohammad Yousuf
  6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
  7. Imran Khan (c)
  8. Wasim Akram
  9. Abdul Qadir (torn between Qadir, Iqbal Qasim, Saqlain Mushtaq, and Yasir Shah)
  10. Waqar Younis
  11. Shoaib Akhtar
New Zealand
  1. Glenn Turner
  2. Mark Richardson
  3. Kane Williamson (c)
  4. Martin Crowe
  5. Ross Taylor
  6. BJ Watling (wk)
  7. Chris Cairns
  8. Richard Hadlee
  9. Daniel Vettori
  10. Shane Bond
  11. Trent Boult
Sri Lanka
  1. Sanath Jayasuriya
  2. Dimuth Karunaratne
  3. Kumar Sangakkara
  4. Mahela Jayawardene (c)
  5. Aravinda de Silva
  6. Dinesh Chandimal (wk)
  7. Angelo Mathews
  8. Chaminda Vaas
  9. Lasith Malinga
  10. Muttiah Muralitharan
  11. Rangana Herath
 
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Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
Tejretics said:
My all-time XIs for countries among players who played at least a little bit at the highest level after the 1960s ended (but considering their whole careers) would be (and I’m also considering, in some cases, first-class performance):

Australia
  1. Matthew Hayden
  2. Usman Khawaja
  3. Ricky Ponting
  4. Steve Smith
  5. Greg Chappell
  6. Steve Waugh (c)
  7. Adam Gilchrist (wk)
  8. Pat Cummins
  9. Shane Warne
  10. Dennis Lillee
  11. Glenn McGrath
West Indies
  1. Gordon Greenidge
  2. Desmond Haynes
  3. Viv Richards
  4. Brian Lara
  5. Garry Sobers
  6. Clive Lloyd (c)
  7. Jeff Dujon (wk)
  8. Malcolm Marshall
  9. Michael Holding (close between him and Garner)
  10. Lance Gibbs
  11. Curtly Ambrose
South Africa (including first-class records during isolation)
  1. Barry Richards
  2. Graeme Smith (c)
  3. Jacques Kallis
  4. Graeme Pollock
  5. AB de Villiers
  6. Quinton de Kock (wk)
  7. Mike Procter
  8. Shaun Pollock (although I was tempted by Rabada)
  9. Keshav Maharaj
  10. Dale Steyn
  11. Allan Donald
England
  1. Alastair Cook
  2. Geoff Boycott
  3. David Gower
  4. Joe Root
  5. Kevin Pietersen
  6. Ben Stokes (c)
  7. Ian Botham
  8. Alan Knott (wk)
  9. Graeme Swann
  10. Bob Willis
  11. James Anderson
India
  1. Sunil Gavaskar
  2. Virender Sehwag
  3. Rahul Dravid
  4. Sachin Tendulkar
  5. Virat Kohli (c)
  6. Rishabh Pant (wk)
  7. Kapil Dev
  8. Ravichandran Ashwin
  9. Anil Kumble
  10. Mohammed Shami
  11. Jasprit Bumrah
Pakistan
  1. Saeed Anwar
  2. Hanif Mohammad
  3. Younis Khan
  4. Javed Miandad
  5. Mohammad Yousuf
  6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
  7. Imran Khan (c)
  8. Wasim Akram
  9. Abdul Qadir (torn between Qadir, Iqbal Qasim, Saqlain Mushtaq, and Yasir Shah)
  10. Waqar Younis
  11. Shoaib Akhtar
New Zealand
  1. Glenn Turner
  2. Mark Richardson
  3. Kane Williamson (c)
  4. Martin Crowe
  5. Ross Taylor
  6. BJ Watling (wk)
  7. Chris Cairns
  8. Richard Hadlee
  9. Daniel Vettori
  10. Shane Bond
  11. Trent Boult
Sri Lanka
  1. Sanath Jayasuriya
  2. Dimuth Karunaratne
  3. Kumar Sangakkara
  4. Mahela Jayawardene
  5. Aravinda de Silva
  6. Dinesh Chandimal (wk)
  7. Angelo Mathews
  8. Chaminda Vaas
  9. Lasith Malinga
  10. Muttiah Muralitharan
  11. Rangana Herath
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Qadir sucks complete ass outside of Pakistan.
 
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Swamp Witch Hattie

School Boy/Girl Captain
Coronis said:
Qadir sucks complete ass outside of Pakistan.
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Nonsense. Everybody knows that Qadir was a great spin bowler. This is what Wikipedia has to say:

"Abdul Qadir is widely regarded as a legendary leg spinner from the 1970s and 1980s"

and

"Yahoo! Cricket described Abdul Qadir as "a master of the leg-spin" who "mastered the googlies, the flippers, the leg-breaks and the topspins."[9] He is widely regarded as a top spin bowler of his generation and was included in Richie Benaud's Greatest XI shortlist of an imaginary cricket team from the best players available from all countries and eras. Former English captain Graham Gooch said that Abdul Qadir "was even finer than Shane Warne".[3]"

Let's see what HowSTAT has to say:

Qadir home and away bowling.JPG

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Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
Swamp Witch Hattie said:
Nonsense. Everybody knows that Qadir was a great spin bowler. This is what Wikipedia has to say:

"Abdul Qadir is widely regarded as a legendary leg spinner from the 1970s and 1980s"

and

"Yahoo! Cricket described Abdul Qadir as "a master of the leg-spin" who "mastered the googlies, the flippers, the leg-breaks and the topspins."[9] He is widely regarded as a top spin bowler of his generation and was included in Richie Benaud's Greatest XI shortlist of an imaginary cricket team from the best players available from all countries and eras. Former English captain Graham Gooch said that Abdul Qadir "was even finer than Shane Warne".[3]"

Let's see what HowSTAT has to say:

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OMG.
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Wikipedia and Yahoo! Cricket, two top notch sources.
 
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