All-time Great XI - Voting system

[kingkallis]

Dear CWers,

I am designing a product called All-time Great XI where visitors / members will be able to vote for their best players for every test & ODI playing nations. We will select 25 to 30 players from each nation and put it in the system with respective attributes. Instead of giving the team combination choice to the user, I have decided to plan it from our end so the visitors can pick their favorite XI on the basis of planned dynamics. (i.e., West Indies do not have 2 legend All-rounders so no point letting the visitors go for 2. SAF and Australia does have ATG all-rounders so visitors will be able to pick 2 ARs in their team.

On the basis of these votes we will make 2 ATG teams. One vote for that particular nation and the same vote will be counted towards the player as well. We are dividing the test teams like this > Openers, Middle order batsmen, all-rounder(s), wicketkeeper, bowlers. This will help us determine the best opening pair, middle order bats, all-rounder(s), wicketkeeper and bowlers for the universal All-time Great XI as well.

Voters will be allowed to change their vote at any given time as well.

Here are the initial short listed players:

Australia: Victor Trumper, Matthew Hayden, Arthur Morris, Bob Simpson, Bill Ponsford, Bill Lawry / Don Bradman, Greg Chappell, Ricky Ponting, Alan Border, Neil Harvey, Steve Waugh, Stan McCabe, Micheal Clarke, Doug Walters / Keith Miller, Alan Davidson, Charles Macartney, Richie Benaud, Monty Noble / Adam Gilchrist, Ian Healy, Rod Marsh / Glenn McGrath, Dennis Lillee, Bill O'Reilly, Shane Warne, Ray Lindwall, Clarrie Grimmett, Fred Spofforth
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 2 all rounders, 1 wicket keeper, 3 bowlers

England: Jack Hobbs, Len Hutton, Herbert Sutcliffe, Graham Gooch / Wally Hammond, Ken Barrington, Dennis Compton, Kumar Ranjitsinhji, Kevin Pietersen, David Gower, Peter May, Ted Dexter / Ian Botham, Frank Woolley, Andrew Flintoff, Tony Greig, Maurice Tate / Allan Knott, Les Ames / Sydney Barnes, Fred Trueman, Jim Laker, Headley Verity, Alec Bedser, Harold Larwood, John Snow, Derek Underwood, James Anderson, Bob willis, George Lohmann
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 1 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 4 bowlers

West Indies: Gordon Greenidge, Desmond Haynes, Conrad Hunte, Roy Fredericks, Chris Gayle / Viv Richards, Brian Lara, George Headley, Everton Weekes, Rohan Kanhai, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Alvin Kalicharan, Lawrence Rowe, Richie Richardson, Clive Lloyd / Gary Sobers, Frank Worrell / Clyde Walcott, Jeff Dujon / Malcolm Marshall, Curtly Ambrose, Andy Roberts, Micheal Holding, Courtney Walsh, Wes Hall, Ian Bishop, Lance Gibbs, Sylvestor Clarke, Joel Garner
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 1 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 4 bowlers

South Africa: Barry Richards, Graeme Smith, Bruce Mitchell, Eddie Barlow / Graeme Pollock, Dudley Nourse, AB de Villiers, Hashim Amla, Herbie Taylor, Colin Bland, Daryll Cullinan, Hansie Cronje / Jacques Kallis, Mike Procter, Aubrey Faulkner, Trevor Goddard, Shaun Pollock, Brian McMillan / Mark Boucher, Dennis Lindsey, John Waite / Allan Donald, Dale Steyn, Peter Pollock, Hugh Tayfield, Makhaya Ntini, Neil Adkock, Bert Vogler, Fanie de Villiers, Vernon Philander
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 2 all rounders, 1 wicket keeper, 3 bowlers

India: Sunil Gavaskar, Vijay Merchant, Virender Sehwag, Navjot Sidhu / Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, Vijay Hazare, Mohammad Azharuddin, Gundappa Vishwanath, Dilip Vengsarkar, VVS Laxman, Polly Umrigar, Saurav Ganguly / Kapil Dev, Mohinder Amarnath, Vinoo Mankad / MS Dhoni, Syed Kirmani, Farok Engineer / Subhash Gupte, Bhagwat Chandrashekhar, Bishan Bedi, Erapalli Prasanna, Zaheer Khan, Javagal Srinath, Amar Singh, Anil Kumble, Harbhajan Singh, Mohammad Nissar, Irfan Pathan
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 1 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 4 bowlers

Pakistan: Hanif Mohammad, Saeed Anwar, Majid Khan, Shoaib Mohammad / Javed Miandad, Inzamam ul Haq, Zaheer Abbas, Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan, Misbah ul Haq, Saleem Malik, Asif Iqbal / Imran Khan, Mustaq Mohammad, Intekhab Alam / Wasim Bari, Rashid Latif, Moin Khan / Waqar Younis, Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Fazal Mahmood, Sarfaraz Nawaz, Mohammad Asif, Saqlain Mushtaq, Abdul Qadir, Mushtaq Ahmed, Saeed Ajmal, Danish Kaneria, Iqbal Qasim
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 1 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 4 bowlers

New Zealand: Glenn Turner, Mark Richardson, John Wright, Jess Ryder / Martin Crowe, Stephen Fleming, Geoff Howarth, Andrew Jones, Ross Taylor, Bert Sutcliffe, John Reid, JF Reid, Nathan Astle, Kane Williamson, Craig McMillan, Jeremy Coney / Richard Hadlee, Chris Cairns, Lance Cairns, Jacob Oram / Brendon McCullum, Ian Smith, Ken Wadsworth, Adam Parore / Daniel Vettori, Chris Pringle, Danny Morrison, Simon Doull, Shane Bond, Chris Martin, Ewen Chatfield, Trent Boult, Dick Motz
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 2 all rounders, 1 wicket keeper, 3 bowlers

Sri Lanka: Marvan Atapattu, Sanath Jayasuriya, Tilakaratne Dilshan, Brendon Kuruppu / Aravinda de Silva, Mahela Jayawardene, Thilan Samaraweera, Arjuna Ranatunga, Ashanka Gurusinha, Hashan Tilakaratne, Dinesh Chandimal, Duleep Mendis, Roshan Mahanama / Angelo Matthews, Ravi Ratnayake, Upul Chandana, Chandika Hathurasinghe / Kumara Sangakkara, Prasanna Jayawardena, Romesh Kaluwitharana / Chaminda Vaas, Muttiah Muralitharan, Rangana Herath, Asantha de Mel, Lasith Malinga, RMS Eranga, Suraj Randiv, Pramodya Wickramasinghe, Dilhara Fernando
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 1 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 4 bowlers

Zimbabwe: Grant Flower, Alastair Campbell, Kevin Arnott, Tino Mawoyo / Dave Houghton, Murray Goodwin, Andrew Flower, Andy Pycroft, Stuart Carlisle, Guy Whittall, Hamilton Masakadza, Neil Johnson, Mark Vermeulen / Travis Friend, Andy Blignaut, Sean Ervine, Douglas Marillier / Brendon Taylor, Tatenda Taibu / Heath Streak, Eddo Brandes, Paul Strang, Ray Price, Henry Olonga, Kyle Jarvis, David Brain, Bryan Strang, John Traicos, TL Chatara, T Panyangara
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 1 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 4 bowlers

Bangladesh: Tamim Iqbal, Javed Omar, Shahriar Nafees / Aminul Islam, Habibul Bashar, Mominul Haque, Mohammad Ashraful, Rajin Saleh, Junaid Siddique, Naeem Islam, Nassir Hossain, Nafees Iqbal, Akram Khan / Sakib al Hasan, Mahmudullah, Khaled Mahmud / Mushfiq ur Rahim, Khaled Mashud / Tapash Baisya, Sohag Gazi, Mashrafe Mortaza, Mohammed Rafique, Enamul Haque Jr., Robiul Islam
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 2 all rounders, 1 wicket keeper, 3 bowlers

Please let me know if I have missed out on any name.

Regards

 

[Gowza]

Cool idea. How about Joel Garner?

 

[kingkallis]

How did I miss big bird? Thanks for the suggestion Gowza. I have removed Wayne Daniel now.

 

[weldone]

Nissar in place of either Ashwin or Pathan

And Kallis should be listed as all-rounder

 

[weldone]

Also John Waite in place of Dave Richardson

 

[kingkallis]

I have made some adjustments to maintain the balance of the teams hence moved Kallis as the batsman but yeah I think he can be shifted to All-rounders so people can select Nourse in their team as well.

Waite <> Richardson, done!
Garner <> Daniel, done!
Nissar <> Ashwin, done!

 

[weldone]

And Albert Vogler in place of Paul Adams

 

[OverratedSanity]

Colin Croft for West Indies?

 

[kingkallis]

I wanted to give them more spinning option hence didnt pick Vogler.

 

[kingkallis]

Croft <> Clarke, done!

 

[weldone]

I wanted to give them more spinning option hence didnt pick Vogler.

Vogler was more famous for his legbreak bowling.

If you don't like Vogler, you can take Schwarz in stead. He's also better than Adams.
Reginald Schwarz - Player Profile - Test Cricket

Vogler-Faulkner-Schwartz was the first famous spin trio in the world before Bedi-Prasanna-Chandra became rockstars.

 

[The Sean]

A few proposed additions and changes, that you can take or ignore as you wish.

Australia – add Sid Barnes to openers, add Clem Hill to middle-order batsmen, add any or all of Jack Blackham, Bert Oldfield, Don Tallon and Wally Grout to ‘keepers, add Charlie Turner to bowlers.

England – add WG Grace and Geoff Boycott to openers, add Godfrey Evans to ‘keepers, add Brian Statham to bowlers, add Wilfred Rhodes somewhere.

West Indies – move Frank Worrell to middle-order players to give him a chance to be selected (he’s a better bat than many of the players already there, and no one is going to pick him over Sobers as an all-rounder), add Sonny Ramadhin and Alf Valentine to bowlers.

South Africa – add Gary Kirsten to middle-order players, add Jock Cameron to ‘keepers, add Bert Vogler and/or Reggie Schwarz to bowlers.

India – looks about right to me, though I’d be tempted to add Tiger Pataudi as specialist captain.

Pakistan – tempted to add Saeed Ahmed to batsmen, but generally I reckon that’s pretty much spot on.

New Zealand – add Stewie Dempster to openers, add Martin Donnelly to middle-order batsmen, move John R Reid to all-rounders and add Bruce Taylor there as well, add Ken Wadsworth to ‘keepers, add Richard Collinge, Dick Motz and Trent Boult to bowlers.

Sri Lanka – move Sanga to the specialist batsmen rather than weigh him down with the ‘keeping duties, add Roy Dias to middle-order batsmen.

Zimbabwe – add all Zimbabwean-born players who’ve turned out for England (or anyone else), just for funsies.

Bangladesh – move…meh, who cares?

 

[kingkallis]

Vogler <> Adams, done!

 

[kingkallis]

Will consider this after taking a nod from at least one more CWer:

Sanga > Move to the middle order pool
Worrell > I did consider it but West Indies has one of the strontest middle order in Headley, Lara and Richards so I strongly doubt anyone will pick him so I decided to give Sobers some competition
Grace, Boycott or Gooch > Only one of these 3 can be there so pick one.
Blackham, Tallon, Grout, Oldfield > Give me 2 of these 4
Wadsworth, Parore added to keepers for Kiwis
Motz, Boult added to bowlers for Kiwis

 

[Athlai]

Sanga as Middle order for sure.

 

[NUFAN]

Jessie Ryder should be removed from opener.
BJ Watling should be added as keeper.

 

[NUFAN]

On the basis of these votes we will make 2 ATG teams. One vote for that particular nation and the same vote will be counted towards the player as wel

What does this mean?

Also, I know it doesn't really matter and now it would be time consuming, but I think the names should be alphabetical order. Seems to me that the better players are at the start of majority of the lists.

 

[harsh.ag]

1) Worrell > I did consider it but West Indies has one of the strontest middle order in Headley, Lara and Richards so I strongly doubt anyone will pick him so I decided to give Sobers some competition

2) Grace, Boycott or Gooch > Only one of these 3 can be there so pick one.

3) Blackham, Tallon, Grout, Oldfield > Give me 2 of these 4

1) Nah, give him back to the middle order. He has more of a chance to get picked that way.

2) Grace, of course.

3) Tallon and Oldfield

Also, chuck out one of Bob Willis and James Anderson to make way for Wilfred Rhodes (either as an all-rounder or as a bowler)

 

[Coronis]

No Jack Cowie in the NZ bowlers? Stewie Dempster surely worth a shout too. Clem Hill and Syd Barnes too. Or even Woodfull, for his captaincy.

 

[The Sean]

No Jack Cowie in the NZ bowlers? Stewie Dempster surely worth a shout too. Clem Hill and Syd Barnes too. Or even Woodfull, for his captaincy.

Gah, I suggested Dempster and Donnelly but forgot about Cowie. Good shout.