70s Aus vs 2010s SA

[subshakerz]

Who wins in a 5 match game in 90s Aus?

Smith
Peterson
Amla
Kallis
Du Plessis
ABD - Keeper
Prince
Philander
Steyn
Morkel
Tahir/Harris

McCorksker
Redpath
Yallop
Greg Chappell
Ian Chappell
Walters
Marsh
Lillee
Thommo
Gilmore/Walker
Mallett

 

[Thala_0710]

That SA (or a similar XI) beat 2000s Aus in Aus multiple times, which is a clear upgrade on 70s Aus. Going with SA here.

 

[subshakerz]

That SA (or a similar XI) beat 2000s Aus in Aus multiple times, which is a clear upgrade on 70s Aus. Going with SA here.

They were comfortably beaten in 2002 and 2005/6. They only beat Australia once McWarne left.

 

[Thala_0710]

They were comfortably beaten in 2002 and 2005/6. They only beat Australia once McWarne left.

That's true but SA was much better in 08/09 and thereafter too. The SA win still came against pretty good Aus lineups, although not nearly McWarne. Hmmm, it's very close. None of the SA bowlers stand out a lot on Aus pitches, but still gonna go for SA.

 

[subshakerz]

That's true but SA was much better in 08/09 and thereafter too. The SA win still came against pretty good Aus lineups, although not nearly McWarne. Hmmm, it's very close. None of the SA bowlers stand out a lot on Aus pitches, but still gonna go for SA.

Fair but it should be mentioned that SA barely beat the 2008/9 and 2012 teams.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Batting (in Australia):

Kallis<Greg
ABD>Ian
Amla>Walters
Smith>Redpath
Du Plessis>Yallop
Prince>McCosker
Peterson>Marsh
Philander>Walker


Think a very clear SA lead here. As bowlers, think the SA pace battery is easily much better, but definitely the edge to Australia at home, and Mallett is a decently significant upgrade on Harris (would personally go with Harmer). Now, Kallis is a quality plus. Think the batting advantage, which is greater than the bowling, will triumph in the long run.

 

[Johan]

Batting (in Australia):

Kallis<Greg
ABD>Ian
Amla>Walters
Smith>Redpath
Du Plessis>Yallop
Prince>McCosker
Peterson>Marsh
Philander>Walker


Think a very clear SA lead here. As bowlers, think the SA pace battery is easily much better, but definitely the edge to Australia at home, and Mallett is a decently significant upgrade on Harris (would personally go with Harmer). Now, Kallis is a quality plus. Think the batting advantage, which is greater than the bowling, will triumph in the long run.

Yeah I think Mallett is better than Lyon

 

[vidiq]

Why don't you include Rabada?
His record in aus is largely affected by just one sydney flat track.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Why don't you include Rabada?
His record in aus is largely affected by just one sydney flat track.
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Rabada is really part of the next Gen

 

[subshakerz]

Batting (in Australia):

Kallis<Greg
ABD>Ian
Amla>Walters
Smith>Redpath
Du Plessis>Yallop
Prince>McCosker
Peterson>Marsh
Philander>Walker


Think a very clear SA lead here. As bowlers, think the SA pace battery is easily much better, but definitely the edge to Australia at home, and Mallett is a decently significant upgrade on Harris (would personally go with Harmer). Now, Kallis is a quality plus. Think the batting advantage, which is greater than the bowling, will triumph in the long run.

I give the edge to Aus based on superior bowling for the conditions and Ian Chappells more aggressive captaincy.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think the batting advantage is more, since SA have better pacers just not per condition.

 

[sayon basak]

I think whoever plays better in the match will win.

 

[reyrey]

Duminy played 7 games in Aus and averaged 48...

 

[The Sean]

Also not sure I'd say that Amla is clearly ahead of Walters in Australia either. Though in that instance the two batting lineups seem to have been mixed up a bit anyway as you'd assume Amla at 3 and Walters at 5 or 6.

 

[The Sean]

I might go Ross Edwards over Yallop for a more '70s feel to it as well.

 

[The Sean]

In which case in batting order, and in Australia, it's probably

Smith > McCosker
Peterson < Redpath
Amla > Chappelli
Kallis < Chappell
Faf > Edwards
Duminy < Walters
ABDV > Marsh

South Africa ahead, especially as Smith and De Villiers in particular win their H2Hs by a lot more than any Australian wins theirs. But I don't think they're in different leagues.

 

[capt_Luffy]

In which case in batting order, and in Australia, it's probably

Smith > McCosker
Peterson < Redpath
Amla > Chappelli
Kallis < Chappell
Faf > Edwards
Duminy < Walters
ABDV > Marsh

South Africa ahead, especially as Smith and De Villiers in particular win their H2Hs by a lot more than any Australian wins theirs. But I don't think they're in different leagues.

Swipe imo. ABD beats Walters, Duminy beats Marsh, Smith beats Redpath and Peterson and McCosker is practically a draw. Only Greg beats Kallis but that too not by a gulf imo.

 

[subshakerz]

In which case in batting order, and in Australia, it's probably

Smith > McCosker
Peterson < Redpath
Amla > Chappelli
Kallis < Chappell
Faf > Edwards
Duminy < Walters
ABDV > Marsh

South Africa ahead, especially as Smith and De Villiers in particular win their H2Hs by a lot more than any Australian wins theirs. But I don't think they're in different leagues.

It's not about who is the better batting lineup as much as who is the better batting lineup against pace that matters in this scenario. SA with Tahir and Harris have cannon fodder.

Folks also forget, Philander is somewhat neutralised in Aus unless it's a greentop.

Steyn will take wickets but go for runs.

Whereas Thommo might be capable of doing to SA to an extent what Mitch did to them frequently.

 

[The Sean]

Swipe imo. ABD beats Walters, Duminy beats Marsh, Smith beats Redpath and Peterson and McCosker is practically a draw. Only Greg beats Kallis but that too not by a gulf imo.

Yeah that's fair too. Though does De Villiers beat Walters specifically in Australia? Not convinced.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's not about who is the better batting lineup as much as who is the better batting lineup against pace that matters in this scenario. SA with Tahir and Harris have cannon fodder.

Folks also forget, Philander is somewhat neutralised in Aus unless it's a greentop.

Steyn will take wickets but go for runs.

Whereas Thommo might be capable of doing to SA to an extent what Mitch did to them frequently.

Eh don't expect Thommo to turn into peak Mitchell all of a sudden. And similarly, on a green top Philander is almost on par Steyn/Lillee