3rd Best English Pacer/Medium pacer

[capt_Luffy]

It's almost universally accepted that Sydney Barnes and Fred Trueman are the best and Second best, respectively; but who's the third?

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Dean Headley

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Harmison was scary

 

[Aidan11]

Fiery Fred.

 

[Coronis]

Its always nice to hate on Anderson and trigger people, but given the volume of work and lack of another top quality candidate it has to be him.

@Burgey what does he average in Australia again?

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think the better question would had been the fourth best English Pacer....

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

George Lohmann was a freak of nature..
112 wickets in 18 tests
1841 wickets in 293 FC games

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Harold Larwood. Though, hard to argue with Anderson’s volume of work especially considering Larwood being forced to retire at 28.

 

[trundler]

Larwood = Duanne Olivier

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Where does Malcolm Marshall fit, considering Barbados a territory of the UK

(Sarcasm guys)

 

[reyrey]

Chris Tremlett during that one Ashes game where he bowled like a prime Curtly Ambrose.

 

[Coronis]

Harold Larwood. Though, hard to argue with Anderson’s volume of work especially considering Larwood being forced to retire at 28.

Overrated hack

 

[Flem274*]

I have a soft spot for Willis. World class, very talented, even had great longevity in context of his era.

 

[Line and Length]

I'd rank Anderson marginally ahead of Statham and Willis then Larwood, Tyson, Snow and Broad.

It's difficult to place Lohmann and others from that era. However, he does hold the distinction of having the lowest Test bowling average of all players with 50 or more wickets (112 @ 10.75).

 

[Coronis]

I'd rank Anderson marginally ahead of Statham and Willis then Larwood, Tyson, Snow and Broad.

It's difficult to place Lohmann and others from that era. However, he does hold the distinction of having the lowest Test bowling average of all players with 50 or more wickets (112 @ 10.75).

Yeah obviously need to be taken with a grain of salt.. incredibly hard to adjust for 19th century cricketers (in a far more bowler dominated game) which is why they generally don’t make such ATG lists.

Overall batting average throughout Lohmann’s career (1886-1896) was 19.87, even comparing with Barnes (1901-1914) - 26.06, the difference is stark.

 

[Line and Length]

Yeah obviously need to be taken with a grain of salt.. incredibly hard to adjust for 19th century cricketers (in a far more bowler dominated game) which is why they generally don’t make such ATG lists.

Overall batting average throughout Lohmann’s career (1886-1896) was 19.87, even comparing with Barnes (1901-1914) - 26.06, the difference is stark.

Quite Starc

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah obviously need to be taken with a grain of salt.. incredibly hard to adjust for 19th century cricketers (in a far more bowler dominated game) which is why they generally don’t make such ATG lists.

Overall batting average throughout Lohmann’s career (1886-1896) was 19.87, even comparing with Barnes (1901-1914) - 26.06, the difference is stark.

While I do admit that Lohman's average is quite a fair bit inflated; you still have to agree that a bowling average of just more than 10 is pretty darn impressive.... The overall batting average in the 2000s was 34.10, and it was highest in the 1950s (35.34);but even then, on even doubling his bowling average, it's still one of the best. The reasons why Lohman, alongside W G Grace, Ranjitsinhji, Tom Richardson, etc don't make many ATG lists is because most people (myself included) don't know how the hell to rank them

 

[capt_Luffy]

I'd rank Anderson marginally ahead of Statham and Willis then Larwood, Tyson, Snow and Broad.

It's difficult to place Lohmann and others from that era. However, he does hold the distinction of having the lowest Test bowling average of all players with 50 or more wickets (112 @ 10.75).

What about Alec Bedser?

 

[kyear2]

Harmison was scary

Will never forget that headline after he wrecked us, GRIEVOUS BODILY HARMison.

 

[kyear2]

It's almost universally accepted that Sydney Barnes and Fred Trueman are the best and Second best, respectively; but who's the third?

Really think Barnes is quite over rated, still no one can swear to what he bowled, and then there's the case that he was good against England and just jacked up that average vs minnows.