Pommies could rattle Aussies: Waugh

Spetsnatz said:

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I hope England will upset Australia next year....that's my English half btw).
My Dad's Russian - and the Russian half says they haven't got a hope in hell.

Beat or not, I wanna see a good show between the 2

If India beats Australia and England beat NZ, then I see England running Australia close......England always seem to me to be a confidence team......When they are confident, they tend to do really well but when they are not, they tend to look very flat....

Spetsnatz said:

I hope England will upset Australia next year....that's my English half btw).
My Dad's Russian - and the Russian half says they haven't got a hope in hell.

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If your Russian half is saying 'Who cares? Let's have another Stolichnaya' I might join it.

I think England will knock Australia over next year.

Mcgrath and Warne are ageing and the Aussies don't have the quality in their reserve bowlers.
Brett Lee is vastly overrated in test matches and Macgill is past his best.
Williams and Bracken are rubbish and Tait's all hype until he actually does something at international level.
Personally I think with his action, the lad will have a stop start career due to injuries.

Gillespie will be the main threat but on the whole their attack will be less fearsome than before.
England should prepare greentops to suit their pace attack -- I think they can expose the flaws in the techniques of Messrs Hayden, Ponting and the King of Flat Tracks Gilchrist.

EnglishRose said:

I think England will knock Australia over next year.

Mcgrath and Warne are ageing and the Aussies don't have the quality in their reserve bowlers.
Brett Lee is vastly overrated in test matches and Macgill is past his best.
Williams and Bracken are rubbish and Tait's all hype until he actually does something at international level.
Personally I think with his action, the lad will have a stop start career due to injuries.

Gillespie will be the main threat but on the whole their attack will be less fearsome than before.
England should prepare greentops to suit their pace attack -- I think they can expose the flaws in the techniques of Messrs Hayden, Ponting and the King of Flat Tracks Gilchrist.

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I don't think England would lose much sleep over Kasprowicz either.

English Rose

You are right of course, your bowlers will rip through the Australian batsmen and then your batsmen will smash the Australian bowlers.

How about answering the points raised?

Scallywag said:

English Rose

You are right of course, your bowlers will rip through the Australian batsmen and then your batsmen will smash the Australian bowlers.

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England 2 Australia 1 -- I say.

Hmm...nah. I think England and Australia's bowling attack are fairly equal - but it's in the batting that Australia will cash in. Australia can pick and choose between about 7 top-class batsmen (Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Martyn, Lehmann, Katich, Gilchrist + their solid back-up batsmen which keep dominating the County Championship) in their line-up. England have Graham Thorpe, possibly even Mark Butcher, that can measure up to the aforementioned seven. We saw England getting severely troubled by a young West Indian bowling attack, and they were often lucky to get away with it. That 3-0 in the West Indies was brought on by some excellent spells of bowling along with the West Indian batsmen pressing "self-destruct" frantically. I doubt Australia will do the same - and then the English bowlers might despair, and we'll see another 2001.

You forget Mr Vaughan young Samuel.

For england to beat the aussies we've got to get some balls and stop being so afraid, England still give way too much respect to the aussies which sometimes results in us not playing our own games. As steve waugh says it'll all become clear in the 1st test next year, as no test series comes close to the ashes in terms of pressure etc so form isn't always a good guide.

PY said:

You forget Mr Vaughan young Samuel.

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I'm not convinced yet that he's the deal - certainly up there, but not quite in the class of the Aussie batsmen (yes, I do know that he was the only batsman to do something last year, but still...he's lacked something after that)

But fair point, he's even with Butcher.

Fair point.

But he has still averaged 37 with the bat since Aus. That includes 3 centuries and 3 fifties. While not being as good as some, it could just be attributed to captaincy role and form slump.

I think with Vaughan that he was too good for a while and everything worked and now he throws the bat at almost anything not on a line and length which is not how it's done. He certainly set high standards in the summer '02 and Ashes '02/'03 which may need to be revised somewhat.

Mcgrath, Gillespie, Warnie, Lee are much better than Harmission, Anderson, Gough and Jones. In Batting England have only Thorpe and Vaughan to some extent, Australia have Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist, Lehman, Martyn. Actually it is a no contest in TESTs. Australia is much better and IMO at best England have 10 % chance of winning the test series

And if you man for manned Australia and India, you'd come up with a similar conclusion...

marc71178 said:

And if you man for manned Australia and India, you'd come up with a similar conclusion...

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Well said, it's a team game and not always a matter of individuals.

i think that if england are going to win the ashes in 2005 they need to find some young quality batsmen in the next 1.5 years. hussain,butcher and tresothick have all not been all that successful in the ashes series and if we want to give ourselves a good chance of winning we have to get rid of at least trescothick and hussain before that series. a large part of the success will lie in how good players like strauss,pieterson and collingwood become at test level, 2 out of those 3 need to become major players for england to win.
in the bowling department i think we need to find a bowler to replace giles and hopefully sajid mahmood will be the other strike bowler along with harmison and take over from jones who appeared quite innocuous against the WI.

marc71178 said:

And if you man for manned Australia and India, you'd come up with a similar conclusion...

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Not really, India matches Australia in Batting but Australia is much better in Bowling.

Kumble, Pathan, Balaji, Zaheer Vs. Warnie, Mcgrath Gillespie, Lee (No competition man)