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Australians watching a different game

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Golaxi

School Boy/Girl Captain
hello.

Can an Australian please explain to me why so many Ozzies are saying the England bowlers are on top form?

It was quite clear that all our pace attack was way off target in all three of the ODI games. Even in the won we won by 9 wickets our bowlers were all over the place. Trust me if our bowlers all were on form we would've at the very least got any team 7 wickets down.

Personally this worries me as they've only got till thursday to put it right.

Its like they are getting so desperate they are bigging up their wins.

I really do hope both teams are on the very top of their game especially seeing as England will probably never have a side like this again (well at least not for another half century anyway), then we can really see who is the better side.
 
howardj

howardj

International Coach
Golaxi said:
hello.

Can an Australian please explain to me why so many Ozzies are saying the England bowlers are on top form?

It was quite clear that all our pace attack was way off target in all three of the ODI games. Even in the won we won by 9 wickets our bowlers were all over the place. Trust me if our bowlers all were on form we would've at the very least got any team 7 wickets down.

Personally this worries me as they've only got till thursday to put it right.

Its like they are getting so desperate they are bigging up their wins.

I really do hope both teams are on the very top of their game especially seeing as England will probably never have a side like this again (well at least not for another half century anyway), then we can really see who is the better side.
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I think people are reading waaaaaaaaay too much in the ODI's played so far. I mean, England haven't been a good ODI side for some years now - they should be happy that they've beaten Australia a couple of times, in this form of the game. It's the Tests where they've made massive strides. Furthermore, I've never read a bigger load of bullocks than in the last two weeks about Australia's attack - that Gillespie is woefully out of form 8-); that Kaspa is out of sorts 8-); and that it is somehow a 'must' that Brett Lee be selected in the Tests 8-). All inaccuracies, and none of them will mean a jot, come Thursday in the longer form of the game.
 
shaka

shaka

International Regular
Maybe they pretend to applaud the good work of the bowlers (England) so that Eng are feeling confident and thus making an Oz victory more hurtful.
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Golaxi said:
hello.

Can an Australian please explain to me why so many Ozzies are saying the England bowlers are on top form?
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Flintoff was clearly in excellent touch with the ball, and was bowling very well indeed. Harmison was in pretty decent form really, and had a fair amount of success, and certainly bowled much better than he did in South Africa. Jones might have been slightly out of touch, and Gough is clearly past his best. Giles seemed in pretty decent form the little that we saw of him. Not sure where the shocking form comes in - just because you bowl poorly in a spell or two doesn't mean you are "out of form"... it just means you didn't bowl very well. Lee bowled poor spells as well, but he's clearly in excellent touch.
 
age_master

age_master

Hall of Fame Member
i dont think McGrath of Lee are in particularly good form yet either, all the bowlers have alot of room for improvement.
 
Burpey

Burpey

Cricketer Of The Year
I thought in the ODIs that the Englishmen bowled decently, but not 'top form'. It was the Aussie batting that often let them down, giving away easy wickets. However, it means absolutely nothing come Thursday ...
 
marc71178

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
howardj said:
Furthermore, I've never read a bigger load of bullocks than in the last two weeks about Australia's attack - that Gillespie is woefully out of form 8-); that Kaspa is out of sorts 8-); and that it is somehow a 'must' that Brett Lee be selected in the Tests 8-).
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So you don't think the first 2 are true?!
 
G

Golaxi

School Boy/Girl Captain
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marc71178 said:
So you don't think the first 2 are true?!
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i was actually quite impressed with kaspa. Flintoff showed glimpses of form but not as consistent or quick as we know he can be.

I hope he gets that odd quicker ball back (90+) after that terrible injury.

As for Harmi its absurd to suggest hes even on decent form. Not only has the accuracy gone but hes bowling at about 10 mph slower.

anyway im sure fans of both teams hope all players are playing at least somewhere near their best.
 
Top_Cat

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i dont think McGrath of Lee are in particularly good form yet either, all the bowlers have alot of room for improvement.
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What the....? What was wrong with McGrath's form!??
 
howardj

howardj

International Coach
marc71178 said:
So you don't think the first 2 are true?!
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Hell no! Or at least not as truthful as people are making out. I mean geez, the way people are talking, it's like Dizzy has never picked up a wicket in his life. At least people should give his record the respect it deserves, and reserve their judgement until after we've seen him play some Tests this tour. ODI's are not a true reflection of a bowler's form. People really do over-analyse things. It's like it's fashionable to make big, sweeping, controversial statements - ie "Dizzy's lost his nip"; "Warney's not the bowler he was". etc etc
 
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FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
howardj said:
Hell no! Or at least not as truthful as people are making out. I mean geez, the way people are talking, it's like Dizzy has never picked up a wicket in his life. At least people should give his record the respect it deserves, and reserve their judgement until after we've seen him play some Tests this tour. ODI's are not a true reflection of a bowler's form. People really do over-analyse things. It's like it's fashionable to make big, sweeping, controversial statements - ie "Dizzy's lost his nip"; "Warney's not the bowler he was". etc etc
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I agree with the last part - but not the first. It's idiotic to say that a bowler has suddenly lost it because they have a couple of bad games... it doesn't work like that. However, Gillespie was clearly woefully out of form for most of the ODI series. He was bowling two sides of the wicket, he'd lost pace, he had erratic length and would put three balls too short and then bowl a wide half-volley, and only a couple of balls per over went where he wanted them to go. I'm not suggesting he can't re-find his form, but to suggest he was bowling at his best this tour so far is ridiculous. All it takes sometimes is a couple of wickets or a good spell and things start going your way again, and we saw that in the last ODI.

I'm not sure Kasprowicz was really out of form, he just had a couple of bad games, and clearly McGrath and Lee are in excellent touch.
 
howardj

howardj

International Coach
FaaipDeOiad said:
I agree with the last part - but not the first. It's idiotic to say that a bowler has suddenly lost it because they have a couple of bad games... it doesn't work like that. However, Gillespie was clearly woefully out of form for most of the ODI series. He was bowling two sides of the wicket, he'd lost pace, he had erratic length and would put three balls too short and then bowl a wide half-volley, and only a couple of balls per over went where he wanted them to go. I'm not suggesting he can't re-find his form, but to suggest he was bowling at his best this tour so far is ridiculous. All it takes sometimes is a couple of wickets or a good spell and things start going your way again, and we saw that in the last ODI.

I'm not sure Kasprowicz was really out of form, he just had a couple of bad games, and clearly McGrath and Lee are in excellent touch.
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Never said Dizzy was bowling at his best, just that the claims that he is bowling so badly that his Test spot should be under threat - on the basis of a few ODI performances - is absolute uninformed rubbish.
 
marc71178

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
howardj said:
Never said Dizzy was bowling at his best, just that the claims that he is bowling so badly that his Test spot should be under threat - on the basis of a few ODI performances - is absolute uninformed rubbish.
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It's not just the ODI form.

The ODI's follow a series in NZ (7 @ 45.71) and one against Pakistan (7 @ 36.85)
 
King_Ponting

King_Ponting

International Regular
Dizzy and Kaspa are out of form..... Ie belted against somerset (Kaspa), Smashed by england and even carted around by bangladesh (well gillespie anyway)
 
howardj

howardj

International Coach
marc71178 said:
It's not just the ODI form.

The ODI's follow a series in NZ (7 @ 45.71) and one against Pakistan (7 @ 36.85)
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He was still economical in those series though. I do not accept that he actually bowled badly in those games. Furthermore, he has gone through wicketless patches like that before too. For instance, back at the start of this decade, he averaged 40, 36 and 40 in three consecutive series. Yet, he came out the other side, and started taking wickets again. There's a difference between bowling badly and not getting wickets. In Tests during the past 6 months, I don't really think he has bowled that badly at all.
 
Run like Inzy

Run like Inzy

U19 12th Man
The Aussies are normally strong mentally I'm sure Gillespie and Kasper will be back. I think it's a case of a few bad games being critically examined by the English press to try and raise their hopes (which I would rate at 40% at best). I mean the England bowlers except Flintoff didn't really look amazing. Collingwood was probably among the best but he isn't going to be bowling in the ashes.
 
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