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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    This thread seems to have turned into a competition about who can express the most outrageously wrong opinion. Bagabath, no need to continue with the crazy botham comparisons. You won already with the Ntini=Pollock. Not that it is necessarily the worst comparison on this thread, but it is the...
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    Prove Burgey wrong. AKA please help me thread

    Requires password entry, which I don't know. Edit@aGimh
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    Prove Burgey wrong. AKA please help me thread

    Hey. I need to figure out the password on my account. I have no access to the attached email, so normal recovery doesn't help. I can log in through this device due to saved password, but it's dying a rapid death, and I'm not sure if i will be able to log in again. Possible to change my email...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Pretty much nobody on this site disagrees that they are atgs. They do tend to get lumped in the lowest tier of atgs though, which is where they belong. Where they get underestimated is the distance between them and the other atgs- there really isn't that much separating pollock from the...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Bowling alone I mean. You can upgrade him to atg player on the basis of his batting if you want, but exclusively as a bowler, he doesn't crack a nod from most pundits. Too few career wickets, too high a home/away discrepancy, and too few wpm for me. If any one of these issues weren't present...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    I think that the <25 bowling average is practically hardwired into people's assessment of quicks as atgs. Even people who claim not to care about stats- it's just been accepted for so long that people who don't intend using the distinction do it anyway. No bowler from recent times who averages...
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    Top 10 ODI batsmen since the 90s

    Ya, if partnerhips are what matters for the openers, apply this logic the the whole team and pick Aus circa 200X. Defeats the whole point of an atg side.
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    Kohli vs MS Dhoni

    You are making the same argument that kohli fans make, just trying to draw the opposite conclusion. He has great stats in chases and slightly lesser stats in setting.
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    *Official* South Africa in India, Sep/Oct 2019

    Hoping for one evil dustbowl, just for variety. India would be better off just prepping flattish pitches, but it would make for a dull series. A seaming wicket would be nice from a spectator's pov to get a competitive game- even Indian fans must be getting a bit bored of watching them steamroll...
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    Top 10 ODI batsmen since the 90s

    Batting gilly out of place isnt even the biggest problem with that side- it's batting Sachin out of place, which knock viv out- he is arguably the best bat, indisputably the best number 3, and provides a badly needed 5th bowling option (no, bowlers who averaged just over a wicket and a half a...
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    If Bradman played in today's era?

    Nobody is doubting that his mental resolve would take him far, but he will average more or less than he did in hos own time based on how capable he is of dealing with modern bowlers. There is no reason to think he would have averaged exactly the same.
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    If Bradman played in today's era?

    Bowlers today are test match (exclusively) fitter than in Bradman's era . The fact that they dont have to subject themselves to non-cricket work or grueling non-international schedules for a payday means they are so much fresher on bowling. Fair comment on the piches.
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    No spinners worth considering in that era. Hardly any bats either- Imran almost makes the team as a specialist bat in the time period being considered. Could drop holding instead of crowe to bring viv in i guess. Border and viv to share 5th role. Probably atronger that way.
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    No spinners worth considering in that era. Hardly any bats either- Imran almost makes the team as a specialist bat in the time period being considered. Could drop holding instead of crowe to bring viv in i guess. Border and viv to share 5th role. Probably atronger that way.
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    Runs Per Innings vs Average in ODIs

    Ya. He was too inconsistent to be considered a properly top quality bowler at any stage in his career, but he was more than adequate for the first half as a third bowler before injuries started to rack up- averaged mid 20s for the 1st half of his career. After injuries he turned into a 5th...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    63-77 is a bit messy. Playing 2 spinners who were not top level + sobers doesn't make sense. And Richards as well. There is another guy called Richards who scored nearly twice as many runs at about twice the average in this time period, and he also doesn't deserve a spot. Drop Crowe and put...
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    If Bradman played in today's era?

    I highly doubt bradman would see much improvement, if any, if he had modern coaching etc. available to him. What we would see would be a greater aquired ability for dealing with modern bowling. Transport him directly from his era to now and it would not surprise me if he wasn't the standout bat...
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    If Bradman played in today's era?

    I highly doubt bradman would see much improvement, if any, if he had modern coaching etc. available to him. What we would see would be a greater aquired ability for dealing with modern bowling. Transport him directly from his era to now and it would not surprise me if he wasn't the standout bat...
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    Definitive proof that not outs don't inflate batting averages

    It's attributable to a number of factors, but at the end of the day a higher number of 1st innings NOs than second almost certainly means a batsman isn't pushing hard enough for runs in the 1st innings. If you are remaining unbeaten very frequently in the 1st innings having faced a reasonable...
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    Definitive proof that not outs don't inflate batting averages

    In the spirit of this thread, it probably makes more sense to say that outs from trying to force the run rate decrease batting average. I don't think it's an unusual situation. The best middle order bats typically average more in the second innings due to a high proportion of not outs, despite...

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