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    Shane Warne vs Curtly Ambrose

    Let me try and make you understand. Since you are coming up with conclusion that I am rating players by sorting averages and you are citing Kambli vs Sachin. Wasim has lower average than Ik but I don't rate Wasim higher. Now is it clear?
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    Shane Warne vs Curtly Ambrose

    If that's what you took out of discussion then I can't help you. I clarly stated that I rate IK over Wasim and Pollock despite avg trend being different. But if you want to draw equivalnece with Kambli and Sachin then carry on... Not much to add.
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    Shane Warne vs Curtly Ambrose

    I don't see large enough gap between IK and Warne. I see large enough gap between Ambrose and IK/Warne. Once you stick to that, there is no need to explain why Warne can be better than IK but not better than Ambrose. You going in circles here, it's not that hard. Now if you don't see it that...
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    Battle of the Bowling Pairs

    ' Very close with other pair , no strong reason. In fact, most pairs you picked are well matched. If I am looking at it some other day then I may as well give a different answer.
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    Battle of the Bowling Pairs

    No opinion on Lindwall/Miller vs Trueman/Stratham.
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    Shane Warne vs Curtly Ambrose

    Why not allow pople to speak for themselves. You have some reading comprehension issue. Entire discussion started from why a bowler can be better than IK but not better than Ambrose. Simple answer is that Ambrose and IK are in different tier for me. So equivalence does not exist. If it exist...
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    Shane Warne vs Curtly Ambrose

    You correct that 14 wickets won't make any one ATG. You got to see entire career against non-minnows. Ambrose - 45 tests 199 wickets avg 20.9 SR 53 Imran - 47 tests - 184 wickets avg 26.3 SR 60 Both are in different tier. Can you find any great pacers in that era averaging 26-27? We can...
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    Shane Warne vs Curtly Ambrose

    Ambrose averaging 20-21 away in 40-50 away tests with no sample size in Ind. Vs Warne averaging 25-26 with getting thrashed in Ind and WI. I know who I will be goiong with. I am not willing to make assumptions that Ambrose would have averaged 50 in India. I will simply take it is unproven...
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    Shane Warne vs Curtly Ambrose

    If you are stellar against best team of your era and yet average 26-27 against non-minnows, what does that tell you? Ambrose was stellar against best team and with over all avg of 20-21. Two situations are not the same. Fans can surely make a case of IK vs Warne with the points you raised, but...
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    Shane Warne vs Curtly Ambrose

    I thought it was answered. It's due to away record of Ambrose. I am going to rate any pacer taking 200 away wickets at avg of 20-21 over Warne specially if they have a great record against top sides of their era. I won't bother to look into any further details because averaging 20-21 away with...
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    Shane Warne vs Curtly Ambrose

    Which other great peers of IK averged 26-27 away against non-minnows? Can you name few? Concrete point - There is a huge gap between Ambrose and IK away performance. When there is a huge gap then a bowler can come in that gap. If you think gap is negligible then please start a thread Ambrose...
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    Shane Warne vs Curtly Ambrose

    Ambrose output against non-minnows when playing away: IK's output against non-minnows when playing away: Not so great away output by Ambrose in some venues and yet he has 184 away wickets at avg of 20-21. We are not making a case for Amrbose to be top 3 pacers here. If he had a great...
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    Shane Warne vs Curtly Ambrose

    Ambrose away avg 20-21 . . . . . . IK away avg 26-27 Not just raw output, but relative output against peer goup as well, there is quite a gap between Ambrose and IK. It shouldn't be surprising to see a bowler getting rated better than IK but worse than Ambrose.
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    Shane Warne vs Imran Khan

    So top 11 becomes, Marshall McGrath Hadlee Steyn/Ambrose Warne/Murali Donald/Lillee/IK Wasim I think you meant Holding? You listed Donald twice. It's close to what I think. Sometimes, a minor differences can flip the order but honestly I have not thought about exact ranking for too long. I...
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    Steyn/Philander vs Donald/Pollock

    Many fans may remember the last phase of Pollock and McGrath more than earlier phase. That may color their view a bit when it comes to pace.
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