Future of Cricket, suggestion to the ICC

[LA ICE-E]

Secondly. Ranking the champions of each section of cricket is stupid. Calling the T20 champion the World T20 champions is good. So is calling the WC winners the ODI World Champions; but just call the test champions the test champion. Calling them the Grand Champions and ranking the tournaments 1. 2. 3. Is both stupid and pointless.
Other than that, you're spot on in my view.

point taken

 

[ICC38]

What's the point? the things you said are going happen eventually and already happening any ways except the test crowning probably/

 

[ICC38]

oh i agree with most of it if thats what you wanted to know.

 

[LA ICE-E]

For those of you who thinks minnows shouldn't play much.
A full list of victories by associate members of the ICC over full members follows. It includes victories by Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh before they became test nations.

5th January 1965: Sri Lanka beat India
10th January 1976: Sri Lanka beat Pakistan
18th January 1979: Sri Lanka beat Pakistan
29th January 1979: Sri Lanka beat Pakistan
18th June 1979: Sri Lanka beat India
3rd May 1981: Sri Lanka beat Australia
31st October 1982: Zimbabwe beat Sri Lanka
14th November 1982: Zimbabwe beat Sri Lanka
9th June 1983: Zimbabwe beat Australia
16th August 1989: Netherlands beat England
15th August 1991: Netherlands beat West Indies
18th March 1992: Zimbabwe beat England
10th July 1993: Netherlands beat England
4th September 1994: Netherlands beat South Africa
29th February 1996: Kenya beat West Indies
28th May 1998: Kenya beat India
31st May 1999: Bangladesh beat Pakistan
19th October 2001: Kenya beat India
22nd January 2003: Namibia beat Bangladesh
11th February 2003: Canada beat Bangladesh
24th February 2003: Kenya beat Sri Lanka
1st March 2003: Kenya beat Bangladesh
12th March 2003: Kenya beat Zimbabwe
13th June 2003: Ireland beat Zimbabwe
17th June 2004: Ireland beat West Indies
3rd September 2004: Scotland beat Bangladesh
8th September 2004: USA beat Zimbabwe
26th February 2006: Kenya beat Zimbabwe
1st March 2006: Kenya beat Zimbabwe

 

[silentstriker]

5th January 1965: Sri Lanka beat India
10th January 1976: Sri Lanka beat Pakistan
18th January 1979: Sri Lanka beat Pakistan
29th January 1979: Sri Lanka beat Pakistan
18th June 1979: Sri Lanka beat India
3rd May 1981: Sri Lanka beat Australia
31st October 1982: Zimbabwe beat Sri Lanka
14th November 1982: Zimbabwe beat Sri Lanka
9th June 1983: Zimbabwe beat Australia
16th August 1989: Netherlands beat England
15th August 1991: Netherlands beat West Indies
18th March 1992: Zimbabwe beat England
10th July 1993: Netherlands beat England
4th September 1994: Netherlands beat South Africa
29th February 1996: Kenya beat West Indies
28th May 1998: Kenya beat India
31st May 1999: Bangladesh beat Pakistan
19th October 2001: Kenya beat India
22nd January 2003: Namibia beat Bangladesh
11th February 2003: Canada beat Bangladesh
24th February 2003: Kenya beat Sri Lanka
1st March 2003: Kenya beat Bangladesh
12th March 2003: Kenya beat Zimbabwe
13th June 2003: Ireland beat Zimbabwe
17th June 2004: Ireland beat West Indies
3rd September 2004: Scotland beat Bangladesh
8th September 2004: USA beat Zimbabwe
26th February 2006: Kenya beat Zimbabwe
1st March 2006: Kenya beat Zimbabwe

And? Its irrelevant, they have to prove a challenge consistently. Not saying they have to win all the time, but the full member countries have to be challenged. And no, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, though officially full member countries, really aren't.

 

[LA ICE-E]

And? Its irrelevant, they have to prove a challenge consistently. Not saying they have to win all the time, but the full member countries have to be challenged. And no, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, though officially full member countries, really aren't.

No....If they were proving to be a challenge consistently they should be geting test status because if they are challengeing than that means they are competing at the same level but see the minnows cant prove to be a challange so often so they aren't going get test status untill they are but doesnt mean they can't cause an upset and beat a top level team. because that what you guys been saying upsets like a associates beating a top level team doesn't happen in cricket well it does and in 20/20 it would happen more

 

[Neil Pickup]

And it includes matches that were far from International status.

 

[LA ICE-E]

And it includes matches that were far from International status.

not the point...minnows still did beat them no matter what status it was, most of them were though and have a look even if some of them weren't international status the team still had the best players in it for that time - http://www.cricketarchive.co.uk/Archive/Scorecards/79/79688.html

 

[marc71178]

For those of you who thinks minnows shouldn't play much.
A full list of victories by associate members of the ICC over full members follows. It includes victories by Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh before they became test nations.

Funny how that list is actually counter-productive for the purposes you meant it for, since it shows the team's you're trying to defend are the ones losing to the minnows

It's also an inaccurate list as well, the Netherlands didn't beat England.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

It's also an inaccurate list as well, the Netherlands didn't beat England.

They actually did, I remember it well. The England team was captained by Peter Roebuck, whether the match has official One-Day International status I'm not sure.....I should look it up really but I can't be bothered as this thread is such utter "£"£!&.

 

[marc71178]

No, it was an "England XI" - nothing like the England side of the time - especially since the Ashes were going on at that time:

Roebuck
Stephenson
Bailey
Stewart
Hussain
Capel
Watkinson
Pringle
Medlycott
Base
Thomas

 

[LA ICE-E]

Funny how that list is actually counter-productive for the purposes you meant it for, since it shows the team's you're trying to defend are the ones losing to the minnows.

i not trying to defend just them they are not minnows now they are ful members and they got beat by the minnows but before they also beat team that were full member when they were minnows...

 

[marc71178]

But they are showing that they're still poor sides, after several years as a full member, which doesn't really increase the argument for more sides being promoted to be thrashed by the bigger nations.

 

[Neil Pickup]

It's like listing the times Minor Counties have rolled FC opposition in the Trophy, and calling for us to enter the Championship based on that.

Actually, is there a list anywhere of Minor Counties rolling Associate members?

 

[LA ICE-E]

Actually, is there a list anywhere of Minor Counties rolling Associate members?

what do you mean?

 

[LA ICE-E]

But they are showing that they're still poor sides, after several years as a full member, which doesn't really increase the argument for more sides being promoted to be thrashed by the bigger nations.

But they also did beat bigger teams- bangladesh beat aus last year sri lanka is doing pretty good and they beat aus in the 96 world cup so they are going to learn from getting thrashed and eventually be a good consistent team...a baby falls hundred times before walking and same here they're going to fall hundred times to the bigger team, but if you dont let them over come the hard ship but not letting them try well then a baby wouldn't be walking they would still be crawling. this is the time where bangladesh and zimbabwe learned how to stand up and walk a lil bit..they are past crawling and they almost got it but still got way to go....they are falling and getting up...they are in between crawling and walking

 

[marc71178]

So why should we have any more sides crawling (or rather not even reaching the crawling stage) then?

 

[LA ICE-E]

So why should we have any more sides crawling (or rather not even reaching the crawling stage) then?

because this is like the baby boom and more countries are being introduced to cricket(or are given time/attention than before)

 

[marc71178]

More countries are being introduced yes, but they're doing precisely nothing to justify their introduction.

 

[LA ICE-E]

More countries are being introduced yes, but they're doing precisely nothing to justify their introduction.

Ah yes there people in china now actually know about the time(atleast some) and children are playing this game which is very foriegn to them...they as a nation is willing to learn this sport or atleast give it a chance...you have to wait for progress...a baby cant walk or talk the day after they were born..they are going to crawl and and make noise before walking and talking....give them time...