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*Official* English Football Season 2006-07

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
I think Louis Saha is a fairly decent striker but lets be honest he had one half of a good season at Fulham and suddenly he was 12 million pound striker. Doubtlessly he will score goals for Manchester Untied but his hardly worth mentioning in the same sentence as van Nistelrooy. Hell even Alan Smith, an even more mediocre striker was brought to the club as his replacement when it looked extremely likely he would be shipped out.
 

Matteh

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
TT Boy said:
I think Louis Saha is a fairly decent striker but lets be honest he had one half of a good season at Fulham and suddenly he was 12 million pound striker. Doubtlessly he will score goals for Manchester Untied but his hardly worth mentioning in the same sentence as van Nistelrooy. Hell even Alan Smith, an even more mediocre striker was brought to the club as his replacement when it looked extremely likely he would be shipped out.
Alan Smith, who at one point had obtained more yellow cards than goals.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
roseboy64 said:
So you're saying Rooney and Saha are mediocre.
Not Rooney no, he's the one world class player.


roseboy64 said:
Weren't you the same one saying van Nistelrooy was past it and now that he's gone the strike force is so woefully bad, wouldn't that make it better?
Yes, I was - but kust being past it does not make him a worse player than the likes of Saha.


roseboy64 said:
Don't see how that adds up unless you're just trying to cover your tracks and make yourself not look stupid.
Says the person who things that his side have a quality strikeforce and a genuine challenge for the title.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
TT Boy said:
I think Louis Saha is a fairly decent striker but lets be honest he had one half of a good season at Fulham and suddenly he was 12 million pound striker.
It's a case of Ferguson being ripped off, again.

£18.6m is this summer's big joke!
 

Craig

World Traveller
Tottenham are interested in Inter Milan striker Oba Martins, Martins is worth the 13.8m pound mark after a poor 05/06 season, and the word is Inter are seriously considering. I guess if does go through, it will mean Jermain Defoe will be shipped out, and Inter will then use the money to buy Luca Toni.

I wouldn't mind seeing Martins in the EPL, certainy has pace to burn, and his goal celebrations would be worth the price admission alone.
 

Craig

World Traveller
marc71178 said:
Wasn't he bought as a replacement for Keane?!!!
I think to be developed as a replacement for Roy Keane. I thought he did an ok job considering he was still adjusting to a new position and it was obvious he would make mistakes because it would be a lot harder to go from an attacking player to a defensive one (change of mindset for one), then say being converted from a winger into a striker, a la Thierry Henry.

And why don't we name this thread "If you hate Man Utd, come in here and bash them". There is more to football then them.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
marc71178 said:
Wasn't he bought as a replacement for Keane?!!!
Nah, he was bought as a striker, to play the second striker role behind van Nistelrooy. Then they signed some scouse teenager so....

It was after one year that fergie wanted to make him into a midfielder. He played midfield often for Leeds, and was okay, but a holding midfielder he is not.

Anyways, to hell with the Mancs...the season starts on Saturday

I predict Ronnie Moore's Super White Army to rout Oldham 7 or 8 nil, what do you think SKD?
 

Loony BoB

International Captain
Re: Carrick "can't tackle", to quote from UnitedRant's boards...

some guy called vainbugger said:
Some stats from skysports: (courtesy of redcafe)
Tackling
..................Player............ Tackles ..........Tackle %
1 ................Michael Essien... 106 ..............69%
2 ................Frank Lampard... 100 ..............73%
3 ................Claude Makelele ..97............. ..69%

Passing

................Player ............Passes...... Pass %
1 .............fatty...............2,015 ........76%
2 .............Makelele...........1,601 ........74%
3.............dirty Essien ......1,447 ......76%

Carrick

Total Passes 1,938
Pass Completion % 80%
Tackles Made 135
Tackles Won % 74%

Interesting. So, Carrick does tackle, doesn't he?
He made a few good points to the United pessimists in that post, actually. Notably...

1) Carrick will only cost £18.6m if we get the PL & CL. If we get both, I'd be happy with that cost.
2) Carrick is 25 and has roughly 8-9 years in him. Ruud is 30 and has roughly 2-3 years in him. Ruud not only performed poorly at the WC, but also wanted to go and the manager wanted him to go - there was never a chance of him being expensive.
3) Why didn't we go for Carrick at West Ham? Because he wasn't as good as he is now. He'd have not played as Keane and Scholes would have never given him a chance in the past two years. Only now is he able to get a shot.
4) 10.5 (RVN) + 6 (obi mikel) - 14 (Carrick) = 2.5 mil. Effectively we have gained £2.5m this summer. Nobody knows how much money the Glazers are wanting to put into transfers (it might even be nothing) but if it's anything close to the commonly estimated £20m, we've still got £22.5m to spend (although I'd be surprised, personally).
5) Some fans have been accusing the Glazers of not providing SAF with a budget (we have no transfer kitty!!!) and ironically some are claimly we are overpaying. Something is strange here, if we already have no money, how can we afford to overpay?
6) Last year we had a crap midfield, this year we'll possibly have a crap forward set. We still made a bloody good amount of points last year, we should be able to do the same this year, makeshift or not.
7) Saha isn't as bad as people make him out to be. How many goals did he score in how many starts last season? I can't say for sure but I'm pretty sure that in the second half in particular it was impressive enough to push one RVN out of the fray. So if he can do that for half a season, why not a full season? If he stays fit he's good to go. Time can only tell, mind you.
8) As always, we have depth for the future.

Optimism > Pessimism.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
So replicate a load of propaganda and expect us all to swallow it?

Only Roseboy is that gullible and he already thinks that everything the club does is right.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Well Luca Toni, Adriano (admittley his head wasn't screwed on), Trezeguet and co. not very good?
all 3 overated imo, Toni isnt bad, decent front man, scores a few, but not a particularly skillful player, dissapointing in the world cup, same can be said of adriano imo, and david trezeguet is just poor, a very overated player, as is ibrahimovic. More fun watching frabrizio miccoli.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
I disagree, all three are highly rate individuals IMO. Adriano, when fit is simply devastating, pace, strength, technically brilliant, the complete package.

Whilst David Trezeguet, if given the right service will score bucket loads, 95 goals in 150 games for Juventus, is some scoring pedigree considering he does not take pens. He does nothing other than score, he will not track back or run the channels, such trivial things do not equate in the guys brain but give him a chance and he will score.

Toni, on the other hand does everything Trezeguet will not do. A tirelessly worker and a demon in the air with surprisingly good feet, his a real assist for any team and was shockingly unlucky in the World Cup.
 
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