Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
I mean I was sort of being tongue in cheek.
But anybody with sense knows McGrath had more competition.
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Curtly Ambrose vs Dennis Lillee
- Thread starter PlayerComparisons
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But anybody with sense knows McGrath had more competition.
Guess I'm a bit short on sense then. About 1.5 of Bishop, Walsh and Marshall playing with him on average sounds comparable to me without the stats. I guess WI had a number of fairly meh guys and a lot of Hooper bowling.
Sliferxxxx
First Class Debutant
We all agree he's top 5. Have you not seen all seen the poll results or are you in denial. He's beating Lillee and he beat Imran. As he should. Deal with it. "We"? lol lol. It's just you and one or two hold outs.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So your opinions totally match with every poll done by CW? Got it.
Sliferxxxx
First Class Debutant
My opinions dont align but it's rare. For example Ambrose recently narrowly lost out to Warne which I readily accept. You won't see me going on page after page telling people how wrong they are. In another, the Dev atg one, most thought he was atg, I didn't. We went back and forth. Most understood but logic but still disagreed, we all hugged and moved on. Do you need a hug to move on pass your Ambrose hate??
akilana
State Captain
No. They are pretty close. But you won’t accept it because it won’t suit your agenda.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Um if you say they are close that means it is clearly advantage McGrath.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So we are the same the only difference is I voice my opinions about it which you object to. Boohoo.
Sliferxxxx
First Class Debutant
Umm no. You literally said it's your mission to pull the likes of Lara, Ambrose and others down a rung or two. I don't have that agenda. The irony being, when others do the same to your idol, you act like they're being irrational. Anyway Subz I still appreciate your input.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Do you? You have a funny way of showing it lol I kid I kid...
And Imran is one of the cricketers I look up to but I don't even rate him as high as you.
Sliferxxxx
First Class Debutant
The irony is you rate Viv higher than I, and I do the same for Imran. Viv is my guy BTW!!
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Viv is awesome. I recently put him ahead of Sobers as no.4 bat ever.
Sliferxxxx
First Class Debutant
Lol I've done the same although I can accept the notion that people think he's overrated. He however is NOT better than Imran.
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
Excellent stance! Very nice.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
You mean like how you spoke about Miller defeating Kallis as definitive proof that one was better, when he beat him by 2 points?
Do you know what the vote difference was between Ambrose and Imran? And it's been consistently that way for every single poll.
None of your arguments makes any sense.
You criticize Ambrose for lack of penetration, yet they're basically the same and away from home Ambrose has quite the advantage.
I can make the argument that Ambrose has more of an argument or is closer to McGrath, than Imran is to Ambrose.
Sliferxxxx
First Class Debutant
Funny you say that because outside of CW quite a few pundits have Ambrose and McGrath pretty much neck and neck. Warne for example rated Ambrose above Glenn. Of course I've also seen Akram and especially Lillee rated exceedingly high so there's that.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
OMG get over that poll result. The only time I refer to those polls is to rebuke the idea you have that Kallis by consensus rated ahead of Miller. Please check.
YOU are the one bringing up poll results as if they matter so much. I can show examples.
Who cares? They are wrong. As they are about Ambrose vs Lillee.
I've always criticized Ambrose on a country by country basis. Stop strawmanning.
akilana
State Captain
nah
DrWolverine
International Regular
Ambrose
in WI : 52 Tests
in Eng : 20 Tests
in Aus : 14 Tests
in Pak : 5 Tests
in SA : 4 Tests
in NZ : 2 Tests
in SL : 1 Test
Lillee
in Aus : 44 Tests
in Eng : 16 Tests
in NZ : 5 Tests
in Pak : 3 Tests
in WI : 1 Test
in SL : 1 Test
Bumrah
in Aus : 12 Tests
in Ind : 12 Tests
in Eng : 9 Tests
in SA : 8 Tests
in NZ : 2 Tests
in WI : 2 Tests
I find it surprising that Bumrah has played 8+ Tests in more countries than Lillee and even Ambrose
in WI : 52 Tests
in Eng : 20 Tests
in Aus : 14 Tests
in Pak : 5 Tests
in SA : 4 Tests
in NZ : 2 Tests
in SL : 1 Test
Lillee
in Aus : 44 Tests
in Eng : 16 Tests
in NZ : 5 Tests
in Pak : 3 Tests
in WI : 1 Test
in SL : 1 Test
Bumrah
in Aus : 12 Tests
in Ind : 12 Tests
in Eng : 9 Tests
in SA : 8 Tests
in NZ : 2 Tests
in WI : 2 Tests
I find it surprising that Bumrah has played 8+ Tests in more countries than Lillee and even Ambrose
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
People who rated Lillee highly are the ones who lives through his reign as the greatest of all time. Nothing wrong with that.
And yes, I rate McGrath slightly ahead of Ambrose, but that's because after the surgery he wasn't quite the same bowler.
Prior to that, Ambrose can arguably be seen to have the advantage.