Kapil Dev vs Courtney Walsh

[Sliferxxxx]

Gillespie often looked a diminished force when McGrath was out of the lineup, and didn't have to do anywhere near as much heavy lifting as Kapil did carrying an impotent bowling attack. Kapil had incredible numbers against the strongest team of his time (Gillespie did do well vs India as well, but was found very wanting in the 04 home series when Mcgrath was out).

It's close but I certainly don't think there's any big gap between them on primary discipline.

Gillespie's issues was his fitness, nothing more nothing less. And that very well was what diminished his performances vs india in 2004. Yet overall vs the best batting he faced, Gillespie was excellent. And it's interesting that we generally big up McGrath for bowling and doing well in a flat era (I do too). Gillespie bowled in the very same era and did fine as well all things considered.

 

[subshakerz]

Gillespie is not a better player than Dev but he's likely a better bowler.

Same class tho and Kapil is easily a better cricketer.

 

[BazBall21]

Ofcourse doesn't . But some of his worst also came in some of the worst roads also. Like his bad Pakistan record is just for his debut series in a series our best bowler averaged 48, others 100+

Most bowlers have to bowl on the odd road. Kapil never had a great sustained peak, had clear visible limitations, and his overall average&overseas average were never more impressive than they ended up. I don't think there's anything that suggests he was a notably bowler than his raw numbers.

 

[DrWolverine]

I feel Kapil would easily fit in Waugh’s team.

I feel Jason Gillespie would play in the team as well but Bret Lee will be the one to dropped though

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Kapil would be a much better fourth bowler option than Lee

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I rate Walsh ahead of Kapil as a bowler too. Kyear is getting belittled for suggesting Kapil as a cricketer can't make it in a team over Walsh.

Dev can but it really depends on the team's make up. But in general I'd pick Walsh in my team over Dev, the way some on here (cough cough Subz) would pick Sachin over Kallis.

 

[Johan]

Gillespie played 13 games without Mcgrath and averaged 25.57 in those

Nice, now removing Bangaldesh and Zimbabwe (2003) from that record.....

10 matches, 36 @ 30.7 and 67 strike rate. looks like @OverratedSanity was correct.

 

[sayon basak]

I feel Kapil would easily fit in Waugh’s team.

I feel Jason Gillespie would play in the team as well but Bret Lee will be the one to dropped though

There is no reason to pick Lee over Kapil for me.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

He's comparing Dev to Gillespie not Hadlee. Gillespie fits the same definition of good but not special imo.

I brought up Hadlee to show you can be a lone wolf and still excell provided you have the requisite skillset which Hadlees and Muralis did.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Most bowlers have to bowl on the odd road. Kapil never had a great sustained peak, had clear visible limitations, and his overall average&overseas average were never more impressive than they ended up. I don't think there's anything that suggests he was a considerably bowler than his raw numbers.

Not as much as Kapil, not everyone bowls in as flat conditions regularly. No peak basically means very consistent 16 years, his overall average overseas and at home against the best 2 teams he played is hella impressive, as is his Pak and Eng record not that poor. So yeah, I do think he was a better bowler than someone like Botham, Gillespie or Broad

 

[DrWolverine]

In an average team Kapil or Kallis would be picked ahead of Walsh or Sachin.

Even though there is a marginal difference in primary discipline, their all round ability will play an important role.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I brought up Hadlee to show you can be a lone wolf and still excell provided you have the requisite skillset which Hadlees and Muralis did.

I explicitly stated except top tier ATGs

 

[subshakerz]

Dev can but it really depends on the team's make up. But in general I'd pick Walsh in my team over Dev, the way some on here (cough cough Subz) would pick Sachin over Kallis.

Once again we agree but you remain disagreeable.

 

[Johan]

I rate Kapil as an ATG Cricketer

 

[capt_Luffy]

Dev can but it really depends on the team's make up. But in general I'd pick Walsh in my team over Dev, the way some on here (cough cough Subz) would pick Sachin over Kallis.

I think that's a fine stance

 

[subshakerz]

In an average team Kapil or Kallis would be picked ahead of Walsh or Sachin.

Even though there is a marginal difference in primary discipline, their all round ability will play an important role.

I don't think so honestly.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Once again we agree but you remain disagreeable.

Sure...

 

[DrWolverine]

I rate Kapil as an ATG Cricketer

One of the great all rounders and may be top 10 AR

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Kapil is in that second tier of ATG/great allrounders with Botham and Ashwin

Tier one would have Sobers, Imran, Kallis, Miller

 

[subshakerz]

You've got to be kidding me. I've seen you rip into players over and over again who everyone else on here more or less considers to be class: Ashwin, Kallis, Lara, etc. Yet you are here castigating kyear2 because in your opinion, he underrates a player you fancy. Wow....

I castigate Kyear not much for who he rates but moreso for his hypocrisy and double standards. Look at the examples I have mentioned in this very thread.