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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

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Srinath P

School Boy/Girl Captain
Okay lemme post mine again anyway:

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Lennard Hutton
3. Don Bradman (C)
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Garfield Sobers
6. Adam Gilchrist (WK)
7. Imran Khan
8. Richard Hadlee
9. Malcolm Marshall
10. Shane Warne
11. Sydney Barnes/Muttiah Muralitharan
 
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Tejretics

Cricket Spectator
Coronis said:
Not exactly sure how both of their keeping measures up - in the same region I assume, neither were ridiculously outstanding but both pretty quality. Gilly easily the better bat imo.
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I suspect “not outstanding but pretty quality” in Ames’s time was plausibly better than “not outstanding” in the late 90s or 2000s, and generally what I’ve read is that Ames was an excellent keeper, just not on the level of the keeping greats in later eras, such as Bob Taylor or Jack Russell.

But I don’t think there’s much between them. Also worth considering Knott, for being a better pure keeper than Ames or Gilchrist while still being a decent bat.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Tejretics said:
I suspect “not outstanding but pretty quality” in Ames’s time was plausibly better than “not outstanding” in the late 90s or 2000s, and generally what I’ve read is that Ames was an excellent keeper, just not on the level of the keeping greats in later eras, such as Bob Taylor or Jack Russell.

But I don’t think there’s much between them. Also worth considering Knott, for being a better pure keeper than Ames or Gilchrist while still being a decent bat.
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Ames was much closer to Knott than Gilchrist as a batter
 
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Tejretics

Cricket Spectator
capt_Luffy said:
Ames was much closer to Knott than Gilchrist as a batter
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Oh, why do you reckon so? Very hard to compare across such substantially different eras, but seems like a hundred first-class centuries is worth more than Knott—who was certainly excellent in tough situations, but was more of a reliable No. 7 or 8. (I’d certainly guess Gilchrist is a better bat overall than Ames, to be sure.)
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Tejretics said:
Oh, why do you reckon so? Very hard to compare across such substantially different eras, but seems like a hundred first-class centuries is worth more than Knott—who was certainly excellent in tough situations, but was more of a reliable No. 7 or 8. (I’d certainly guess Gilchrist is a better bat overall than Ames, to be sure.)
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Ames is better than Knott, but not by a huge length. He averages 28 vs Australia, the only team with a proper Test standard attack he faced, which is lower than what Knott does vs them WI. Also, 100 Centuries his commendable, but his FC average is also just a shade above 40
 
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