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Probably the two most skilled quick bowlers from Asia
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Peak Bumrah vs Peak Akram
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Comfortably Bumrah.
Wasim did not have really a great peak and it's obvious with him getting very low peak rating of 830 points in ICC rating. No other great has such a low peak rating. ICC rating has some known flaws so it's better to look at long stretches of peak agaisnt non-minnows separately.
Even looking at best stretches with 25 tests away and 40 tests over all, I did look at Wasim's best stretch. I don't remember the numbers but it was not even close to making a cut in lists below. If anyone has time, you can try to find the best stretch against non-minnows for Wasim. I had removed BD, Zim and SL pre 95 for all pacers while doing both lists. If anyone does it, please share the best 25 away and 40 over all stretches agasiny non-minnows with exact period.
Bumrah being only Asian bowler to show up in both lists and Wasim having relatively such a low peak ICC rating among greats, I am comfotable to say that it's clearly Bumrah when it comes to peak between these two pacers. I don't think cut off is too harsh because many peers (Ambrose, Donald, McGrath, Pollock) made it to first or second. Some peers (McGrath/Ambrose) made it to both lists.
Only 6 pacers made the cut in both lists in the last 100 years.
Marshall
Bumrah
Ambrose
Hadlee
McGrath
Garner
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Last 100 years, the best away stretch of pacers with 25+ tests or 125+ test wickets - non-minnow oppositions
Total 7 bowlers with sub 20 away avg with 25 tests.
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Last 100 years, the best (home+away) stretch of pacers with 40+ tests or 175+ test wickets - non-minnow oppositions
Best stretch of pacers with sub 20 Avg - sorted by Avg and then SR
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Wasim did not have really a great peak and it's obvious with him getting very low peak rating of 830 points in ICC rating. No other great has such a low peak rating. ICC rating has some known flaws so it's better to look at long stretches of peak agaisnt non-minnows separately.
Even looking at best stretches with 25 tests away and 40 tests over all, I did look at Wasim's best stretch. I don't remember the numbers but it was not even close to making a cut in lists below. If anyone has time, you can try to find the best stretch against non-minnows for Wasim. I had removed BD, Zim and SL pre 95 for all pacers while doing both lists. If anyone does it, please share the best 25 away and 40 over all stretches agasiny non-minnows with exact period.
Bumrah being only Asian bowler to show up in both lists and Wasim having relatively such a low peak ICC rating among greats, I am comfotable to say that it's clearly Bumrah when it comes to peak between these two pacers. I don't think cut off is too harsh because many peers (Ambrose, Donald, McGrath, Pollock) made it to first or second. Some peers (McGrath/Ambrose) made it to both lists.
Only 6 pacers made the cut in both lists in the last 100 years.
Marshall
Bumrah
Ambrose
Hadlee
McGrath
Garner
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Last 100 years, the best away stretch of pacers with 25+ tests or 125+ test wickets - non-minnow oppositions
Total 7 bowlers with sub 20 away avg with 25 tests.
- Malcom Marshall ( 8 Dec 1980 and 21 Jul 1988 ) : 28 tests - 151 wickets - Avg 17.84 - SR 41
- Jasprit Bumrah ( 18 Aug 2018 - 15 Jan 2025 ) : 29 tests - 144 wickets - Avg 18.91 - SR 42
- Glen McGrath ( 5 Mar 1999 - 21 Jul 2005 ) : 31 tests - 153 wickets - Avg 18.95 - SR 47
- Curtly Ambrose (21 Jul 1988 - 6 Jul 1995) : 25 tests - 129 wickets - Avg 19.06 - SR 49
- Alan Davidson (11 Jun 1953 - 6 Jul 1961) : 25 tests - 93 wickets - Avg 19.15 - SR 65
- Richard Hadlee ( 27 Jul 1978 - 2 Dec 1988 ) : 26 tests - 156 wickets - Avg 19.21 - SR 47
- Joel Garner ( 18 Feb 1977 - 12 Mar 1987 ) : 29 tests - 136 wickets - Avg 19.74 - SR 50
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Last 100 years, the best (home+away) stretch of pacers with 40+ tests or 175+ test wickets - non-minnow oppositions
Best stretch of pacers with sub 20 Avg - sorted by Avg and then SR
- Imran Khan ( 1 Jan 1980 - 14 Apr 1988 ) : 40 tests - 187 wickets - Avg 18.15 - SR 44
- Malcom Marshall (12 Jul 1984 - 23 Nov 1990 ) : 41 tests - 215 wickets - Avg 18.55 - SR 43
- Curtly Ambrose ( 1 jan 1990 - 6 Jul 1995 ) : 40 tests - 189 wickets - Avg 19.12 - SR 50
- Shaun Pollock ( 6 Aug 1998 - 24 Jul 2003 ) : 40 tests - 175 wickets - Avg 19.14 - SR 52
- Allan Donald ( 2 Jan 1996 - 9 Mar 2001 ) : 40 tests - 204 wickets - Avg 19.18 - SR 41
- Jasprit Bumrah ( 24 Jan 2018 - 31 Jan 2025 ) : 41 tests - 187 wickets - Avg 19.21 - SR 42
- Glen McGrath ( 22 Nov 1996 - 23 Jul 2001 ) : 54 tests - 272 wickets - Avg 19.62 - SR 47
- Richard Hadlee ( 12 Dec 1980 - 24 Nov 1988 ) : 43 tests - 222 wickets - Avg 19.64 - SR 47
- Joel Garner ( 18 Mar 1977 - 9 Nov 1984 ) : 41 tests - 186 wickets - Avg 19.97 - SR 50
- Anyone else?
Best home and away stretch of pacers with 40+ tests or 175+ wickets
We had a thread for the best away stretch by pacers for 25+ tests or 125+ wickets. http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/threads/best-away-stretch-of-pacers-with-25-away-tests-or-125-wickets.94422/ Since home and away games are played equally for most, increasing tests by 15 and wickets by 50 is...
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capt_Luffy
International Coach
Akram didn't had a mind blowing peak like Imran or Waqar; it was more he was extremely consistent for a long stretch post early years and pre diabetes. Fwiw, Bumrah's peak literally being his whole career is Extremely satisfying. Overall, Akram is better just because longevity and Bumrah's body breaking down.
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That’s a good point
Thala_0710
State Vice-Captain
Are they qualitatively on par though? If one talks about pure skillset then maybe yes, Akram might edge it even. But, their records, especially overseas against the top teams of their era isn't remotely close. Hence, why I went with Bumrah
sayon basak
International Captain
Nothing new tho. A lot of people have been criticizing Bumrah for breaking down tbf. It's been overdone imo.
sayon basak
International Captain
Even comparing them in terms of skill set shouldn't be an easy win for Akram. Bumrah can swing the ball both ways while giving nothing away, I could argue he's even better at swinging the new ball. Wasim may take the reverse swing, but Bumrah is much more accurate imo.
I don't know the source of this chart. It was posted in other thread.
Difference between Wasim and Bumrah is day and night when it comes to blowing through top order.
Wasim against top 1-7 - Avg near 30
Bumrah against top 1-7 - Avg near 22
Against tails both were in tight 10-12 range.
Wasim's case was not like Steyn in flat era. Many peers( Donald, McGrath, Ambrose) of Wasim did well against top order in the same era.
Difference between Wasim and Bumrah is day and night when it comes to blowing through top order.
Wasim against top 1-7 - Avg near 30
Bumrah against top 1-7 - Avg near 22
Against tails both were in tight 10-12 range.
Wasim's case was not like Steyn in flat era. Many peers( Donald, McGrath, Ambrose) of Wasim did well against top order in the same era.
Thala_0710
State Vice-Captain
Curious to know, where did they get this exact ball by ball data from for the older guys
I simply picked up from another thread. I don't know the source. I was curious as well.
Malcolm Marshal vs Glenn McGrathbbb
How many pace quartets were there? Any other pace quartets in WI? Croft, Holding, Roberts, Garner. Marshall, Holding, Roberts, Garner. Marshall, Patterson, Walsh, Ambrose. Walsh, Ambrose, Bishop, Patterson
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Kirkut
International Regular
You can say that Waqar was a reverse swing bully but Akram was equally good with new ball as he was with the old ball, there is a spell on youtube where he bowls to Gooch and gets him out after keeper and slips keep dropping him, bowled conventional swing there.
Bumrah could swing it big like any Pakistani fast bowler at their primes although he primarily bowls seam, and you need not look further than that yorker to Ollie Pope, hence skill wise too he has it all.
Though Bumrah has better numbers against the top order, it is worth considering the quality of top order across the eras here, just like bowling to Gooch, Stewart, Waugh Brothers, Gary Kirsten etc. can be a different experience than bowling to the current lot since they could wait for 250 balls to reach to their 50. But then the vice versa might be true where the attacking approach of the current top order could upset the rhythm of the bowlers from that era.
In short, it's not easy to compare players from different eras.
DrWolverine
International Debutant
If we are comparing Jasprit Bumrah is as good as any other fast bowler in the last 100 years.
I would say top order was harder on those days. Tail was easy picking in 90s. It pretty much balances out if you take top order and tail togtether. That's what refelcted in avg of bowlers.
Runs per wicket in 90s: 31.6
Runs per wicket last 10 years: 30.7
Bumrah has better numbers against top order and higher percentage of wickets at top. He also has a far better numbers against top teams of his era. Wasim fell short against peers in some of those metrics, but Bumrah stands out against peers.
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Output may be different, but skill wise, I think Wasim and Bumrah are more equal. I think late release and action makes it harder to face Bumrah and that's why his results are better. Anyway, it was fun to watch Wasim bowl and it's fun to watch Bumrah bowl.
govinda indian fan
International 12th Man
Only thing against bumrah is longevity. Hope he plays another 20-25 matches and picks 100 more wickets(crossing 300) then they would be nothing to complain
govinda indian fan
International 12th Man
As of now akram but hopefully bumrah ends his career as greatest asian pacer
ankitj
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Bumrah is what you get when you combine Wasim's skills with McGrath's thinking brain.
